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Polux · 18-10-2015, 10:11

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Originally Posted by Palarran

Polux - I was being sarcastic because you're calling out a guy with 10 posts on the forum.

But since your last post, and based on the previous one, can you provide a gps printout of your 3,500 mile cruises (by which I assume you mean "sail") and photo's of your engine hour meter per year so we can verify that. To "sail" all the time and do 3,500 miles per year in 4 months, in the Med, or Motorterranean, I doubt.

When I do said that I was sailing about 3.5k on the med on the last years on 4 months I certainly did not imply I was sailing them all using sails. It is my understanding that you can use the term sailing referring motoring or sailing on a general way. Anyway I was referring to the 15000 miles the previous poster said he had sailed in 3 years and he certainly he did not said it had done all of them using sails.

I don't understand what have of unusual to make 3500miles on 4 months. It gives about 28.7nm a day and giving that from Italy to Greece I do a non stop 200/290nm, do also several two days non stop from time to time and rarely stay more than a day on a place (same day I made the sailing) I don't see why that is amazing.

Regarding cruising, except when I am voyaging to the cruising grounds, I do use the sails a lot since I am just cruising and having fun, going nowhere in particular and many times changing course and destinations according to the wind. Last year on Greece, on August, on the full month I wasted 40L of diesel and that included charging the batteries when needed.

Regarding my last year cruise you will find information here:

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...on-133243.html

I don't understand what has to do to be a new poster on the forum with the veracity of the claims he makes, that seem perfectly possible. Doubting without any reason of what he says just because he is new on the forum does not make sense, at least to me.

Doubting what I say without reason about the miles I do for year makes no sense also. This year I was recovering from a hip prosthesis cirugy, had only sailed for less than 3 months and made almost 2.5K cruising.

**minaret** · 18-10-2015, 10:12

Here is a cat I'm working on which definitely motors 100% of the time. I'll post a few pics.

**weavis** · 18-10-2015, 10:14

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Originally Posted by minaret

Here is a cat I'm working on which definitely motors 100% of the time. I'll post a few pics.

What size outboard does it use Min?

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**minaret** · 18-10-2015, 10:20

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Originally Posted by weavis

What size outboard does it use Min?

Lol! Cruising speed is 22 knots. No outboards here!

Polux · 18-10-2015, 10:23

The number of cats without masts I see on the med increases every year. Many times, the less luxurious ones, seem just like a condo cat without a mast. I don't see any wrong on that and it seems to me that they provide for a good and economical motor cruiser.

**weavis** · 18-10-2015, 10:37

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Originally Posted by Polux

The number of cats without masts I see on the med increases every year. Many times, the less luxurious ones, seem just like a condo cat without a mast. I don't see any wrong on that and it seems to me that they provide for a good and economical motor cruiser.

I once considered a power Cat for use in the Spain/France/Italy and Islands area due to the variableness of the winds.

Would not be a bad choice to make.

senormechanico · 18-10-2015, 10:45

Zenith, with the same font as the TV of 30+ years ago.

As a former dealer, I probably helped the owner buy that thing.

Palarran · 18-10-2015, 11:04

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Originally Posted by captainfitzwine

I have logged over 15000 miles on my lagoon 450 since June 2012 and sail whenever possible. But there is a reality that can't be ignored: the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. If I was living in the days of old, I would wait out for the the right wind to blow my way. Sadly I do not have that luxury most of the time. Cats can and do sail well and considering the weight and luxury I'm hauling around do just fine - comfortably!

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Originally Posted by Polux

When I do said that I was sailing about 3.5k on the med on the last years on 4 months I certainly did not imply I was sailing them all using sails. It is my understanding that you can use the term sailing referring motoring or sailing on a general way. Anyway I was referring to the 15000 miles the previous poster said he had sailed in 3 years and he certainly he did not said it had done all of them using sails.

I don't understand what have of unusual to make 3500miles on 4 months. It gives about 28.7nm a day and giving that from Italy to Greece I do a non stop 200/290nm, do also several two days non stop from time to time and rarely stay more than a day on a place (same day I made the sailing) I don't see why that is amazing.

Regarding cruising, except when I am voyaging to the cruising grounds, I do use the sails a lot since I am just cruising and having fun, going nowhere in particular and many times changing course and destinations according to the wind. Last year on Greece, on August, on the full month I wasted 40L of diesel and that included charging the batteries when needed.

Regarding my last year cruise you will find information here:

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...on-133243.html

I don't understand what has to do to be a new poster on the forum with the veracity of the claims he makes, that seem perfectly possible. Doubting without any reason of what he says just because he is new on the forum does not make sense, at least to me.

Doubting what I say without reason about the miles I do for year makes no sense also. This year I was recovering from a hip prosthesis cirugy, had only sailed for less than 3 months and made almost 2.5K cruising.

Polux, this last post pretty much proves the point. Read them both and think about why you need to question the number of motor hours he has.

I've said it before that this thread from the first post was only meant to cause negativity on the forum.

DotDun · 18-10-2015, 12:29

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Originally Posted by Polux

Yes the shortest distance but not always shortest time. when that shortest line is directly upwind with waves on most boats the shortest time is not directly against the waves. The Lagoon 450 sails well, except upwind where the performance is not good.

I am curious, how many engine hours for those 15 000 miles, I mean on each engine?

Can you provide a basis for your opinion? Compared to what? Have you ever been on a Lagoon 450?