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Old 30-07-2015, 16:03   #406
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Re: Why Do Catamarans Motor Nearly 100%

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Old 30-07-2015, 16:07   #407
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Yeah, sure, you know more about the conditions where I was than I do. The photo was taken from the anchorage at Fitzroy island. It's an anchorage because it's sheltered from the SE wind. I guess you understand the concept?

Out of the shelter of the anchorage it WAS blowing 15-20 knots, SSE, mostly closer to 20.

And actually there are TWO mono's in the picture.

One is a bit further away, so not so easy to see. It's just right of centre. Well out into the breeze by then. Still motoring though.

The OP doesn't seem like he's going to retract what he said, so why should anyone else let it rest?
44, you posted a photo of distant monohulls with no sails raised, sitting in what appears to be pretty calm water. You said it was evidence that monos motored when there were 20 knots of favorable breeze. I didn't see the evidentiary support for your statement.

And yes, I do understand that concept of a sheltered anchorage. I've actually anchored at Fitzroy island a few times myself. In fact, I had sailed with the engine off most of the way from Tasmania to get there. In my mono.

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Well... When everything returned back to a dead calm following the storm, it's a good thing one of those wayward shipping containers didn't ram into you like in the Robert Redford movie.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

Please let me know when you might be traveling through my area sometime, either in Boston or here in Sardinia/Corsica. I'd really enjoy spending some time together hearing about your cruising adventures. We can also share some medical stories.

BTW, what are you doing up so late at night?

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Hi Ken, Right now the whole family is in UK sorting our twins and their varsity places - and have just climbed Ben Nevis with them. It was snowing ( well, sleeting actually) at the top. There were also several Brits at the top in shorts and tee-shorts. They are certainly a hardy species. Summer time in Britain.
As for the containers - we did hit something but cannot be certain what it was was. It sheared one rudder post right off but somehow didnt touch a hull or keel. The same night a Taiwanese fishing boat was lost with all hands and an Australian steel mono-hull also hit something and sank - the crew were rescued. I have never been so scared sailing and have never experienced such conditions since, thankfully.
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This Is Not Possible.

Don't you understand your boat has the hydrodynamics and aerodynamics of a brick?

Absolutely. Not. Possible.
I used to be absolutely against cats - I knew they tipped upside down and dont self right, they dont sail to windward, they smash into splinters when a greenie rolls over them, they..........and now I am looking at buying yet another one.
No one told our cats the rules - as they say, cats only learn what benefits them, dogs learn to please.
If it aint a cat, then its a dog.
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Hi Ken, Right now the whole family is in UK sorting our twins and their varsity places - and have just climbed Ben Nevis with them. It was snowing ( well, sleeting actually) at the top. There were also several Brits at the top in shorts and tee-shorts. They are certainly a hardy species. Summer time in Britain.
As for the containers - we did hit something but cannot be certain what it was was. It sheared one rudder post right off but somehow didnt touch a hull or keel. The same night a Taiwanese fishing boat was lost with all hands and an Australian steel mono-hull also hit something and sank - the crew were rescued. I have never been so scared sailing and have never experienced such conditions since, thankfully.
......and I never did watch the end of the said film - its was so damned daft that it irritated me so I switched it off. I never did discover the ending - and I dont care either!
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44, you posted a photo of distant monohulls with no sails raised, sitting in what appears to be pretty calm water. You said it was evidence that monos motored when there were 20 knots of favorable breeze. I didn't see the evidentiary support for your statement.

And yes, I do understand that concept of a sheltered anchorage. I've actually anchored at Fitzroy island a few times myself. In fact, I had sailed with the engine off most of the way from Tasmania to get there. In my mono.

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SO do you also understand the concept of things appearing to be smaller when they're further away? Like those boats?

Well that also applies to waves. It was blowing 15 - 20 knots. Not in the anchorage, but further out. We left about 45 minutes after them, sailing (oops motoring 100% of the time) under headsail alone we hit double figures at times.

We can't do that when there's no wind.

FYI, it was Sunday 26 July.
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/dwo/ID...4.latest.shtml


BTW Jim, since you know so much more about conditions where I am than I do, what's the weather like here now? We're thinking about going for a motor.
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SO do you also understand the concept of things appearing to be smaller when they're further away? Like those boats?

Well that also applies to waves. It was blowing 15 - 20 knots. Not in the anchorage, but further out. We left about 45 minutes after them, sailing (oops motoring 100% of the time) under headsail alone we hit double figures at times.

We can't do that when there's no wind.
You were mildly amusing the first couple of times. However now your posts are self justifying and your beginning to look like just another Cat fanatic who has to prove to the whole world that Multis are superior. Those of us that like Cats and are happy with them are also happy to wear our big boy pants and let others make up their own minds. We are all sailors together, or perhaps it slipped your mind?

If you didnt read the first couple of posts explaining the thread, then it is strongly suggested you do so ASAP. Would not want you to look like a (rhymes with Prick) now would we? I fear time might not be on your side.

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......and I never did watch the end of the said film - its was so damned daft that it irritated me so I switched it off. I never did discover the ending - and I dont care either!
I didn't make it to the end either. I fell asleep just after he started a signal fire on his life raft and burned it up.
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44, you posted a photo of distant monohulls with no sails raised, sitting in what appears to be pretty calm water. You said it was evidence that monos motored when there were 20 knots of favorable breeze. I didn't see the evidentiary support for your statement.

And yes, I do understand that concept of a sheltered anchorage. I've actually anchored at Fitzroy island a few times myself. In fact, I had sailed with the engine off most of the way from Tasmania to get there. In my mono.

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Relax Jim, no one is slagging off your mono ... the thread has clearly had a pop at multi's, despite the OPs BS claims to the contrary, and 44c is defending them.

This happens pretty regularly ..
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You were mildly amusing the first couple of times. However now your posts are self justifying and your beginning to look like just another Cat fanatic who has to prove to the whole world that Multis are superior. Those of us that like Cats and are happy with them are also happy to wear our big boy pants and let others make up their own minds. We are all sailors together, or perhaps it slipped your mind?

If you didnt read the first couple of posts explaining the thread, then it is strongly suggested you do so ASAP. Would not want you to look like a (rhymes with Prick) now would we? I fear time might not be on your side.

Really? I don't believe that to be the case .. he's responded in the same way that the thread was started, pointing out the evidence that refutes the central premise to the thread. Some people have argued against that and yeah, it's starting to escalate. Maybe address the root cause instead of the symptom though ...
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Whats your idea of an ocean going Cat?
No takers?

How about a Chris White Atlantic? Yeah, I remember 'ANNA'. Sometimes, stuff happens. I don't recall what size, but we met these Aussies in the Bahamas. They had sailed from South Africa where they built the boat. Later, after returning from the Bahamas, we were dock neighbors at Brunswick Landing Marina in Georgia. You Neva Know is now in Fiji or New Zealand, last I heard. That's an ocean going cat....

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No takers?

How about a Chris White Atlantic? Yeah, I remember 'ANNA'. Sometimes, stuff happens. I don't recall what size, but we met these Aussies in the Bahamas. They had sailed from South Africa where they built the boat. Later, after returning from the Bahamas, we were dock neighbors at Brunswick Landing Marina in Georgia. You Neva Know is now in Fiji or New Zealand, last I heard. That's an ocean going cat....

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No takers?

How about a Chris White Atlantic? Yeah, I remember 'ANNA'. Sometimes, stuff happens. I don't recall what size, but we met these Aussies in the Bahamas. They had sailed from South Africa where they built the boat. Later, after returning from the Bahamas, we were dock neighbors at Brunswick Landing Marina in Georgia. You Neva Know is now in Fiji or New Zealand, last I heard. That's an ocean going cat....

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I'd say there were no takers because to properly answer the question would take a ridiculously long time, and more knowledge than most people would have.
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I'd say there were no takers because to properly answer the question would take a ridiculously long time, and more knowledge than most people would have.
Have to disagree - there is no single correct answer. It is not a question of knowledge.
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Have to disagree - there is no single correct answer.
Ummm, that's the point I was making...
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