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Old 29-07-2015, 14:47   #376
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Re: Why Do Catamarans Motor Nearly 100%

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That does not look like 30k on the med, this does (30/35K) but they are not going upwind and I would like to see that.



They say it is 50k but they refer to gusts. When we talk about 30k wind we talk about sustained wind not gusts that can go easily 15 k over the sustained speed.
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Surprisingly it seems winds and waves slow me less than some other mono's, but I don't know why.
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Not really, monos also have batteries that need charging and privately owned monos are more likely to be lacking solar due to the lack of space to put them.

Where I am now I can only see one other mono anchored with solar, none have wind. One Tri has wind. I cannot tell if the Lagoon 450 or the Sunreef 74 have solar or not. Given that the Sunreef lit up the water around it last night with UW lighting I suspect they don't need to motor to recharge.

The Sunreef is now motoring off in 12 knots of wind in the direction that would put it on a beam reach. After a mile there is still no sign of a sail.

Time to up anchor myself and have a sail in the same direction ��


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Leaving our anchorage just the other day - 20 knot deep reaching conditions, the two mono's in front of us never raised a sail.

Oh, and I have evidence....

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Leaving our anchorage just the other day - 20 knot deep reaching conditions, the two mono's in front of us never raised a sail.

Oh, and I have evidence....

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1. Wow! A picture of a mono with no sails up. Never saw such a thing before, so thanks for posting it.

2. In many places on the Queensland coast 20 knots raises a lot of whitecaps on the sea surface. That spot must have a nearby oil spill or something to calm the waters. You should report it to the EPA.

Seriously, isn't it time to give this silly argument a rest? I again say that we all know that some cats and some monos motor in conditions where they could easily sail. It is their decision, not ours, and it is most likely not driven by the number of hulls under their command.

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it is most likely not driven by the number of hulls under their command.
Actually, for the designed purpose of this thread, it is.

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Seriously, I think boaters in general don't motor enough. Oil stockpiles are high, dollars per barrel are low and I'm trying to sell a house in an oil town.
Come on people, drop those mains, furl those genoas. Let's get on with my retirement.......

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Seriously, isn't it time to give this silly argument a rest? I again say that we all know that some cats and some monos motor in conditions where they could easily sail. It is their decision, not ours, and it is most likely not driven by the number of hulls under their command.

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Well put, Jim.

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Leaving our anchorage just the other day - 20 knot deep reaching conditions, the two mono's in front of us never raised a sail.

Oh, and I have evidence....

Are you sure you put up the right photo? Going by the wavelets it looks like a gentle breeze thats on the nose.

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44c might take a while to get back to you, he is still motoring
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The Chinese navy decided that non sailing Cats was the way to go.
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The Chinese navy decided that non sailing Cats was the way to go.

Looks like another case of using a cat to keep the Admiral happy


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1. Wow! A picture of a mono with no sails up. Never saw such a thing before, so thanks for posting it.

2. In many places on the Queensland coast 20 knots raises a lot of whitecaps on the sea surface. That spot must have a nearby oil spill or something to calm the waters. You should report it to the EPA.

Seriously, isn't it time to give this silly argument a rest? I again say that we all know that some cats and some monos motor in conditions where they could easily sail. It is their decision, not ours, and it is most likely not driven by the number of hulls under their command.

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Yeah, sure, you know more about the conditions where I was than I do. The photo was taken from the anchorage at Fitzroy island. It's an anchorage because it's sheltered from the SE wind. I guess you understand the concept?

Out of the shelter of the anchorage it WAS blowing 15-20 knots, SSE, mostly closer to 20.

And actually there are TWO mono's in the picture.

One is a bit further away, so not so easy to see. It's just right of centre. Well out into the breeze by then. Still motoring though.

The OP doesn't seem like he's going to retract what he said, so why should anyone else let it rest?
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The OP doesn't seem like he's going to retract what he said, so why should anyone else let it rest?
Our observations were based on where we've cruised and where we have cruised. Nothing to retract because they are accurate and continue to be so.

But I have learned a substantial amount of information about multihulls, the way they sail, how charter companies function, many bits to help us make up our mind if and when we decide to make a boat change. Which was the reason why I posted it in the first place. It's not like I haven't tried sailing a cat, remember the first few posts.... I'm sailing a Leopard 45 on the cover of cruising world four years ago at the Newport boat show. Sounds to me now... Like I sailed the wrong cat for us. This thread was never meant to be argumentative multi vs mono, my observations are experienced based.

I don't know why some stay stay so focused on just the title, there's a ton of peripheral information on this thread.

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