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dan360 · 01-09-2012, 06:38

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Originally Posted by Zonker

Question is why is a 5X already on the 2nd hand market ?

2013 Outremer 5X Segel Boot zum Verkauf - www.yachtworld.de

And do you really care how fast she goes ?!

That's not a second hand boat, that's simply the base list price for the boat before options.

Sand crab · 01-09-2012, 06:58

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Originally Posted by dan360

That's not a second hand boat, that's simply the base list price for the boat before options.

And that is a yet to be built 2013 model.

Sand crab · 01-09-2012, 07:09

Both of these boats have exposed helms. I'm not sure that there is a canopy available for the 5X. The GB is built in China so I put one tick in Favor of the Outie.
Maybe we should add the GB 55 to this. Totally enclosed interior helm with a unique sliding hatch which is like a window and skylite combined. I like that boat. Made In the US, too.

dan360 · 01-09-2012, 07:25

The 55 is also a similar price to the 5X, the 60 is $1M more than the 5X.

It does have a new concept of a fully open cockpit/saloon. The only way to close it in with a zip up bimini type closure. I think that's super cool for a weekender/holiday boat, less so for a blue water boat headed for mixed climates.

I think the 60 is expensive esp since it is made in China and despite the carbon weighs quite a lot more than the 5X...

MehmetCan · 01-09-2012, 21:50

I'm getting more and more fond of GB55, however, if you're buying a Gunboat Cat, it's obvious that you want to sail it all around the world. Otherwise, what's the point of buying a 3M$ (or 1.7M$ for the GB55) cat with small cabins and no fly bridge? And if I'm sailing around the world, I'd sure think of winter times too. Yes, with the new up galley option, there's an extra cabin but who wants to freeze their ass while trying to prepare a decent meal? Yes, it's great for preparing pina colada's at the tropics, but it's not always 30 degrees celcius...

And as for the helm position, I agree with sand crab, there's just no logic for that in cats these days. It should be either inside like the GB or up at the flybridge like Lagoons to be able to see better and stay away from the seas. Just my humble opinion though.

Last but not least, I haven't seen the GB60 upclose, yet. However, the if the pictures do the justice (and usually for GB they can't, for the better of course), that's one sleek machine and I don't think being made in China would change that. After all, we're talking about artisanship, not mass production.

Zonker · 01-09-2012, 22:03

Schionning 1750 : Well ... if you are not a "handy man" then you need someone build that baby. Asking price for a complete one : 1'750'000 AUD ... it might be lighter but it aint be cheaper ... :-)

MehmetCan · 01-09-2012, 22:20

Not to mention that light is not everything when it comes to cruising...

Lagoon4us · 01-09-2012, 22:39

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Originally Posted by cat man do

I agree
Strange how we can do it considering we probably have close to the most expensive wages and material prices on the planet.

I think we have a certain ROF or 'rip-off factor' but when boats get to this level in comes the BSF or 'bull-**** factor' and BSF costs way more!!!!

Lagoon4us · 01-09-2012, 22:47

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Originally Posted by Zonker

Schionning 1750 : Well ... if you are not a "handy man" then you need someone build that baby. Asking price for a complete one : 1'750'000 AUD ... it might be lighter but it aint be cheaper ... :-)

Cost to build a 14.80 Wilderness using contracted labour to 'Sailaway' was under $500,000 3 years ago.

Asking price as against acting as the builder and getting it done whilst working as a labourer on the project worked for a mate.

MehmetCan · 01-09-2012, 23:29

That sure is a good price for a 14.8m cat...

Lagoon4us · 01-09-2012, 23:58

I guess it's no difference to the scenario of acting as Project Manager if you wish to build a house you take out the margins, you oversee all work, you know whats going on by cleaning up and doing the menial tasks and you know the quality.

Any contractor who gets a better deal on component NEVER passes on the savings to the Principle.

If the brief was to build a seaworthy cat to flog a gunboat i don't see an issue in bringing it in under 900k, the problem with constraining build costs is always stopping the owner from interfering.

Cheers all just pipe dreams..........

cat man do · 02-09-2012, 04:23

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Originally Posted by MehmetCan

Not to mention that light is not everything when it comes to cruising...

The schionnings use duflex for the build, it considered old school technology in this day and age.

Carbon composite like in the gunboat is space age tech and space age tech is supposed to be a shitpile lighter and anyone in the game knows that light = expensive but, in this case it's the opposite.

Light and strong is a hell of a lot when it comes to cruising.
a 10,000kg displacement boat built heavy at say 9000kg can only carry 1000kg
the same boat built light and strong at say 6000kg can carry considerably more, therefore, it will be the better boat.

Also, heavy does not necessarily = strong.

cat man do · 02-09-2012, 04:27

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Originally Posted by Zonker

Schionning 1750 : Well ... if you are not a "handy man" then you need someone build that baby. Asking price for a complete one : 1'750'000 AUD ... it might be lighter but it aint be cheaper ... :-)

and where did you pluck those numbers from?