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Old 05-09-2012, 09:56   #61
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Re: Why Choose Gunboat 60 Over Outremer 5X?

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Really, the racist comment was out of line. How do you make that leap? It's not the chinese people it's their goverment and it's policy that many have issues with. And one cannot deny that some chinese made goods have inferior quality. It's been well documented in these forums that the wire rope, fittings and misc. pieces for boats were not up to snuff. There was something about a chinese made mast that failed but we never got the details. Even Mr. Johnstone says he will use equipment from sources outside China.

However, I am 100% positive that the GB 60 will be an excellent boat that will perform as expected. It is damn good looking too.
Well, if you think that's out of the line, I'm terribly sorry for that. However, as a Turk, I face with such bigot myths everyday, so I'm a bit sensitive on the issue. The seperation between the governments and people is a very important thing and I agree with you completely.

As for the looks of the GB60, Sophia Loren at her 18...
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Old 05-09-2012, 10:40   #62
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With all due respect to Peter Johnstone I disagree with his statement that the (manufacturing) country doesn't matter. It does. At least to me.

PS I still like your boats.
I would love to see all the Gunboats built in the US. Let's face it we could use the work. I understand manufacturing in China as it keeps costs way down, but are the lower costs reflected in the price? Judging by the fact corporations are making record profits I would say no, the builders are keeping the profits. And on that fact alone I have to agree with Sand Crab. Let's face it, at some point the manufacturers are going to run out of people to buy their products as we will all be unemployed!
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Old 05-09-2012, 11:20   #63
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Sand Crab, Smj : I guess the labour intensive stuff is the barebone boat and makes it worth to produce the boat in China. Adding the rigging and the interior finish (my guess) is only a minor part (from man-hours perspective).

Regarding the "parts from outside China" - lets face it, high-end sportscar (not to mention the "normal" cars) manufacturers dont make each part themselves. In contrary it's more an assembly job of parts ordered on a daily basis from all over Europe (in case of European car producers).

So in GBs case - again makes perfect sense what they do. Would be interesting to know their margin numbers ... :-)
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Old 05-09-2012, 11:30   #64
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China & Cruising : well you gotta give them time - just remember the times 30 years ago. Would anyone have thought the cold war would end so quickly. At that time China was basically in the "stone age". And look how quickly things became different.

Fact is - China will be no 1 (again !) and either you fight against it or you start to make business with them.

Just listen to the Brits - very bad feelings about US and the lost empire after WW 2. Coke and Jeans became popular and everyone wanted to be like "America". Now the same sh** will happen to the US - losing it's military and economic power soon to China. So why not become like "China" (ok US folks are excluded ... :-) ... a very strange thought.

Fact is - we (western hemisphere) are idiots. Instead of buying local products we buy cheap things and hey where does that stuff come from ? Also if someone is blaming product quality - hey you get what you pay for. And if you buy something "cheap" buy a replacement too.
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Old 05-09-2012, 19:17   #65
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That Gunboat 60 sure is a sexy thing - Sophia Loren when she was 18, indeed!

I can't get over how much boat speed was generated in such a light breeze! Granted, apart from 15 odd crew there probably wasn't much 'extra cruising mode' weight on board and her tankage was most probably at minimum levels..... but still. She glided effortlessly......
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That Gunboat 60 sure is a sexy thing - Sophia Loren when she was 18, indeed!

I can't get over how much boat speed was generated in such a light breeze! Granted, apart from 15 odd crew there probably wasn't much 'extra cruising mode' weight on board and her tankage was most probably at minimum levels..... but still. She glided effortlessly......
More like an Olympic gold metal swimmer ( girls team ) Lean and mean
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Old 06-09-2012, 20:39   #67
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3 things.
Did anybody notice the totally empty 1000 slip marina except for 3 boats (maybe)?

The really crappy paint work where the 2 colors meet on top of the hull about 35 seconds into the vid. I saw this on the CF site. On Youtube full screen it is glaring.

Who's the one Chinese guy in the salon and the only one wearing a life vest?
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Old 06-09-2012, 21:07   #68
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1. You gotta plan ahead

2. Haha ... please switch your graphics card from 8-bit colordepth to 32-bit

3. The chinese Dude is the only one who is conforming to seamanship - and may be they are excercising Man-Over-Board after the clip !

Jesus Christ ... I hope the (US) sailing community is not like you !
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3 things.
Did anybody notice the totally empty 1000 slip marina except for 3 boats (maybe)?

The really crappy paint work where the 2 colors meet on top of the hull about 35 seconds into the vid. I saw this on the CF site. On Youtube full screen it is glaring.

Who's the one Chinese guy in the salon and the only one wearing a life vest?
I raised the paintwork issue on SA, I thought it was a wrap rather than paint because the edge was so poor. I suggested that if one is operating in an environment where people are going to throw stones about quality (China) then surely surface details like that need to be aesthetically perfect. I imagine that will have to be fixed before the boat is shown officially.

I'm guessing that the Chinese guy was totally unable to swim hence the life vest in the saloon.
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Old 07-09-2012, 03:31   #70
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Re: Why Choose Gunboat 60 Over Outremer 5X?

I looked back on SA and found that thread after my post. I was wondering why it left the factory floor like that. Now with the mast stepped they will have to fix the paint outside with or without a tent or unstep the mast either way is a PITA.
Do you think the Chinese guy was a pilot? In Cairo, cruisers have to hire a pilot just to get in and out of port and I was wondering if that was the case here.
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I've noticed the paintwork as well, don't think it's because of the graphics card. However, this is a custom boat, so these kind of mistakes are bound to happen, the important thing is if the yard discovers them and retouches them before delivery or not. Or provide the necessary services after delivery without any charge...
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As for the marina issue, that looks like a pretty up to standards marina, it'll get full eventually but assuming it was made only for tourists would be quite non-sense, not to mention that Xiamen is an industrial and commercial city instead of being a full on touristic destination.
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Check this out. It says you have to anchor out and pay for a pilot boat at $150 per trip to land. And if allowed into the marina then you get to pay $500 for the pilot boat escort. No wonder the marina is empty!
http://www.noonsite.com/Countries/China/Xiamen
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Surfer Girl, thank you for the kind comments.

As for the negative types, your persistent and repeated comments across several forums have done a nice job keeping Gunboat at the forefront of discussions. So thank you for your continued attention and raising issues that allow us to respond. It should help clear the air of BS.

The Gunboat 60 in the video was performing preliminary sea trials to test major systems. IT HAS NOT BEEN DELIVERED, so any judgement being passed is premature. That paint line was touched up before the video was ever seen. As most people know that have taken the time to get to know Gunboat, they will also know that we do not deliver until the boat is 100%. Anyone that has seen this Gunboat 60 will assure you that it is amongst our finest work, on par with the Gunboat 90 and our Gunboat 66 series. The result is simply stunning.

When we first built in South Africa, we heard similar ignorant and racist comments. The Gunboats built there, or anywhere, always turn out and set a world standard. Our work in China and the US will continue that long established Gunboat tradition. The location of the build has little to do with the result. The specifications, design, database of knowledge, labor training, management and materials matter most. We can take our Gunboat IP and apply it anywhere and achieve a world leading result. This is what separates Gunboat from the rest. You might find parallel examples with Mercedes Benz, or any other manufacturer that is producing high quality product under well managed structures in China. Check where your ipad or phone are made.

Our intent to is to best serve the Atlantic basin with our new US yard in NC. And to best serve the Pacific basin with the production in Xiamen.

The marina where we sea trial from is an enormous development. The marina was just opened to the sea a few months ago. The slips are filling up with new boats daily. The enthusiasm for yachting is really impressive, and the pace of growth is simply jaw dropping. Until you see it firsthand, you will simply not understand.

China's waters will slowly open up due to internal demand, and access to outsiders will follow after that. China may be ruled by the communist party, but it is driven by one of the most capitalistic economies in the world today. We have found the authorities diligent, thorough and friendly. They only twitch when we tell them there are some Americans and German running a Gunboat along the coastline.
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Re: Why Choose Gunboat 60 Over Outremer 5X?

I posted this on the "other forum"

Hey Peter,
I'm not a Gunboat hater. As a matter of fact I started these threads in CF:
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ale-72427.html
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ina-75666.html
I did not realize that the new GB was not quite finished when I first posted about the paint. Glad to hear it's been fixed.
I do like the innovative enclosed forward helm on the GB55. I believe that is a first of this type on a production boat. I really like that.
I do know that one of the first rules of business or life is to fix your mistakes before anybody else sees them. Perhaps in the future you would want to make sure the boat is really ready to be captured (forever) on pics or vids because after all you are building the Ferrari of cruising boats.
I'm sure it looks great now.
So good luck to you. When I win the Lotto I will place my order for the 55.

I will add that calling someone a racist or a bigot because of all the myriad civil rights and political issues associated with that country is beneath you. The China issue was raised in Sailing Anarchy as well. I'll bet ya don't criticze that government when you're over there, do ya. Us yanks, aussies, poles, french, kiwis, SAs, brits, etc. are free to do that. And we like it that way.
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