Who is Toyota, Lexus, Mercedes, Ferrari Equivalents?

[Factor]

Originally Posted by smj

I believe it was worded differently before the mods got a hold of it.

Nah - it is as I typed it

Originally Posted by Cotemar

I believe Factor was fast on the edit button. The automated e-mail read much differently than this. I was on it, but he beat me to it.

Seriously - it is exactly as I typed it, there was no edit by me or you or any auto system - if the auto system you talk of shows something different then something is seriously amiss.

Originally Posted by tropicalescape

Surely it was not that bad,as Austrilians decend from a long line of ,of...I forgot what the purpose was for the place before it became a "country"...DVC

It (Australia) was a home for at least forty thousand years for a large group of indigenous people. That was its purpose.

[Factor]

Originally Posted by Tomahawk

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But there does not seem to be any sailing equivalent of a sports car... there are plenty of speed boats and some are plain evil.... But no sailing equilevent...

A boat that is well appointed but most of all.... Lots of fun to sail and very fast... Something to average twenty kts plus but with some comfort and not needing a full crew of blades to get it up to speed?

Corsair 37?

[David M]

Originally Posted by Tomahawk

See that is the nub of it.. Racing dinghies are fantastic fun as go very fast boats... But one could not go touring round the coast on one? Well you could but it would be somewhat of an endurance ordeal.. Hence going back to my question... Are there any sporty yet comfortable sailing yachts.. (or cats)..??

I just thought it would be fun to list some boats that are the nautical equivalent of all out race cars.

[Ex-Calif]

Originally Posted by Tomahawk

See that is the nub of it.. Racing dinghies are fantastic fun as go very fast boats... But one could not go touring round the coast on one? Well you could but it would be somewhat of an endurance ordeal.. Hence going back to my question... Are there any sporty yet comfortable sailing yachts.. (or cats)..??

I'm with Factor. When the first corsair (big rig) showed up here they were lapping the fleet during beer can races... on the first lap!

They have sold several now and they have their own class.

Imagine a sub 30 foot trailer sailer, with a decent cabin and outriggers that you can easily park on the beech. A nice choice if looking for a smaller new yacht.

Here's a 31 and a 24...

[Mike w]

Talked with a couple owners and they are very happy with the Corsair 37. Averaging 11knots an hour on long trips and hitting well over 20 knots. Sleeps 7. Big enough for 3-4 people to comfortably live off big cockpit and lots of tramp space. With 50cm draft you can go where only other dingys can go. Just need to fit it with a dodger and bimini if you want to stay cool and dry.

RajaMuda2011.MP4 - YouTube

[tomfl]

Originally Posted by Ex-Calif

In sports car class you may not be looking for comfort so much...

How about F16, F18, A-class etc... Very fast, low crew needs, low comfort...

I think there are versions of the corsair tris that have big rigs and go fast. With a cabin to boot...

As posted later on the Fboats/Corsairs all seem to be fast and forgiving boats. Any Fboat up to the F31 can be put on a trailer and towed with a fairly normal vehicle. When you go bigger than the F31 towing is possible, but probably requires professional help.

The F31 has standing head room and a fair amount of space for two to cruise. Guys are single handing them from Florida to the Bahamas, Greater and Lesser Antilles and Windward and Leeward Islands or the Sea of Cortez if you are on the Left Coast. Skilled sailors make longer passages across both the Atlantic and Pacific, but those crossings are not for beginners no matter what boat you are in.

I have a problem with matching boats to cars. Sure a big Gunboat will probably beat anything speed wise, but it also has two diesel engines that power all manner of things line ice makers, water makers, electric generators, microwave ovens, AC units, and just about anything else a low to mid seven figure boat might have. So is it more like a sports car or a bridal suite.

Another consideration is how much it will cost to maintain the boat. One big plus for me is if I wind up with an F31 I can put it on a trailer in a couple of hours (or maybe less) tow it to a local storage site and keep it there for $US30 a month. Dry storage closer to the water is more expensive but you can store it mast up there. Compared to docking or mooring a boat this is a big savings, not to mention reducing the need for bottom jobs. Sure a Warrham will cost less up front but I would guess over the long hall they will cost more to maintain. Making a VW camper analogy based on up front cost may not always provide a true picture of what the total cost at the end of a couple of years will be.

[Sand crab]

Outremer 55 Light=Shelby Cobra 427
I've said it before, that's a fast boat.

[tomfl]

I have been looking at Fboats, specifically the F31, as a boat you can stand up in and trailer. No question it has great speed.

But I have also become interested in the Telstar T2. It is not as fast as the Fboat, but seems to be more liveable in terms of interior space and layout. I also like the centerboard as opposed to the dagger board for limiting damage if you hit something and its ability to shift the CLR for fine tuning on a set course; of course the dagger board wins on performance.

While I have seen differing opinions I think the T2 may have an easier one man mast raising system and a more fail safe ama extension system if there is a failure when under way. The T2 outboard mounting system seems better thought out, at least to me, as well.

They both seem to be good boats with one emphasizing performance and the other comfort. As I posted earlier a Gunboat is able to have both performance and comfort, but it is simply too far above my price point.