Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 29-04-2008, 20:04   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: San Diego, CA
Boat: Will be a 50' Cat
Posts: 382
Who Has Rode Out A Big One On A CAT

I have read a lot of the negative POVs regarding CATs and their risk of capsizing in a heavy confused sea. Was just wanting to hear some first hand accounts of those who have presumably survived a heavy storm on a Crusing CAT +35'... If you can contrast the difference in the experience between a monohaul and a CAT that would be great...

I was also wondering if a Sea Anchor works on a CAT, do you have to position it midship? Would a Sea Anchor positioned aft and stern prevent a capsizing?

Any thoughts greatly appreciated by this novice...

Cheers
__________________

__________________
capcook is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-04-2008, 20:26   #2
Senior Cruiser
 
schoonerdog's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2004
Location: annapolis
Boat: st francis 44 mk II catamaran
Posts: 1,174
Images: 4
maxingout is a frequent contributer and has written about lying to a sea anchor. In short, sea anchors work probably better on cats than other boats as the beam allows easier adjustments, the structure height and windage mean the boat tends to stay pointed into the seas better (as opposed to some suggestions for monohulls attaching the sea anchor to the stern), and the inherent stability allows you greater comfort. From what people who've been out have described, they were able to sit back and relax in 50 knots of wind and nasty seas.

para-anchor or drouge? - Sailing World Forums & Community
__________________

__________________
schoonerdog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-04-2008, 23:37   #3
Senior Cruiser
 
Alan Wheeler's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Marlborough Sounds. New Zealand
Boat: Hartley Tahitian 45ft. Leisure Lady
Posts: 8,038
Images: 102
Maybe schoonerdog. Not doubting you at all. But lets respect this question by having some replies from those that have really been through something big. I don't want to hear second hand news. I want some first hand experiance described here. Honestly and all due respect. I am not insinuating anything. I have read many negatives and have only ever heard second hand positives. If my wife ever gets her way and we one day buy a cat, I want to know the real facts first.
__________________
Wheels

For God so loved the world..........He didn't send a committee.
Alan Wheeler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-04-2008, 02:13   #4
Senior Cruiser
 
44'cruisingcat's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,454
Images: 69
With respect, how many of the negatives you have read were first hand?

WHat Schoonerdog referred to IS first hand experience.

STROM MANAGEMENT FOR CRUISERS
__________________
44'cruisingcat is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 30-04-2008, 02:45   #5
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Oz
Boat: Jarcat 5, 5m, Mandy
Posts: 419
I spent a bit of time out of Sydney in a storm that peaked at force 11. The name of the boat was Catriona B and was called Cat. I don't think this counts.
Robert
__________________
Robertcateran is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-04-2008, 02:49   #6
Marine Service Provider
 
Factor's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Brisbane Australia
Boat: Corsair Dash MKII
Posts: 4,084
see Welcome to Siudzinski KatieKat for sea anchor discussion on a seawind 1000
__________________
Factor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-04-2008, 04:52   #7
cruiser

Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 4,525
Looking forward to hearing input on this discussion as well.

Now that I have about 1000+NM on a cat, I can say you don't want to get the beam facing rough conditions... that's the key. Heaving-to in really steep stuff doesn't seem natural for a cat.

But... I am not someone who can answer the question (and hopefully never will be!)
__________________
ssullivan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-04-2008, 05:04   #8
Senior Cruiser
 
schoonerdog's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2004
Location: annapolis
Boat: st francis 44 mk II catamaran
Posts: 1,174
Images: 4
Correct, that's why I point to maxingout as the source.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Wheeler View Post
Maybe schoonerdog. Not doubting you at all. But lets respect this question by having some replies from those that have really been through something big. I don't want to hear second hand news. I want some first hand experiance described here. Honestly and all due respect. I am not insinuating anything. I have read many negatives and have only ever heard second hand positives. If my wife ever gets her way and we one day buy a cat, I want to know the real facts first.
__________________
schoonerdog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-04-2008, 06:47   #9
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Out there doin' it
Boat: 47' Olympic Adventure
Posts: 2,635
Sorry, no first-hand info from me, just what I've read. There seems to be two common schools-of-thought on this: 1) para-anchor on a bridle from the bow; and 2) series drogue from the stern, although many in this school advise against this option for 'condomarans' as they see the necessity for a proper watertight door vs sliding glass patio door. If you read Shuttleworth's notes on stability, it would seem that deploying a para-anchor from the beam would be eminently do-able. And some stories lend credence to the bare-poles, boards-up and ride-it-out approach. Good first-hand discussion on experience in a hurricane here: Woods Designs Sailing Catamarans - look for "Eclipse's Perfect Storm" under 'Articles'.
__________________
Lodesman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-04-2008, 20:14   #10
cnj
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Riverside, RI USA
Boat: Fontain Pejot Tobago 35 Cat Alee
Posts: 67
Sept 06 bring our new to us Tobago35 home from Fla to RI off S Carolin we hit a low comeing off the coast with 50k true with 15ft sea in the gulf stream going north and 10-12ft sea heading east I reefed down as much as I could put the wind on the port aft and ran northeast for 15hrs. The boat handled it better then we did. It was my first offshore as skipper and the wifes first offshore ever but we live and learned from it and will be more ready when we go south this fall.
__________________
cnj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-04-2008, 20:21   #11
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: San Diego, CA
Boat: Will be a 50' Cat
Posts: 382
Thanks CNJ,

That's interesting... Was there much trouble keeping water out of the salon..e.g. the sliding doors etc...

Wow, 15hrs of getting knock around and your wife didn't divorce you... she's a keeper....

Cheers
__________________
capcook is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2008, 01:41   #12
Senior Cruiser
 
Alan Wheeler's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Marlborough Sounds. New Zealand
Boat: Hartley Tahitian 45ft. Leisure Lady
Posts: 8,038
Images: 102
cnj, I am certainly not belittling your experiance as I know myself just how terrifying the first experiances can be.
But can someone come from the experiance of say 25ft plus waves. Something that makes the stability of any boat a real test.
__________________
Wheels

For God so loved the world..........He didn't send a committee.
Alan Wheeler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2008, 07:05   #13
cruiser

Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 4,525
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Wheeler View Post
cnj, I am certainly not belittling your experiance as I know myself just how terrifying the first experiances can be.
But can someone come from the experiance of say 25ft plus waves. Something that makes the stability of any boat a real test.
Wheels, if you have 2 wave trains coming together at a 90 degree angle as described, wouldn't at least some of these top the 25ft mark as the crests sometimes would add when in phase?

(and of course, others would be tiny when out of phase, and yet others would be large "pits" your boat falls into)

Also, add the relatively short length of the boat and you do have quite a ride.

The stability factor really does seem to be dependent on running or pointing into the seas, as he said.

Oh... and just a little background... (not to change Wheels' request, but to let people know about where the poster is from)

Where this person lives (RI) has some of the most annoying confused seas from the FL Keys to Maine. In fact, I vote them as *the* worst. I get queasy all the time going from Montauk, NY to Newport, RI. There is often a strong westerly wind (prevailing) which goes against rather large south swells coming from Africa or god knows where. This puts the swells and wind-induced seas at close to 90 degrees apart, like the storm the guy from RI above is talking about.

My point being... he has this kind of stuff right at home. It had to be pretty bad for him to make a note of it.
__________________
ssullivan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2008, 17:18   #14
Senior Cruiser
 
Alan Wheeler's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Marlborough Sounds. New Zealand
Boat: Hartley Tahitian 45ft. Leisure Lady
Posts: 8,038
Images: 102
Quote:
wouldn't at least some of these top the 25ft mark as the crests
No that is pretty much a normal sail for us here. I am talking about at least a 25-30ft wave base line and the nasty stuff on top of that again. I mean, stability in any boat is only ever going to be in the extreme situations. A multi hull will handle the smaller stuff with ease. The danger is when you are in the hopefully once in a life time, and hopefully it is someone elses life time where you are in serious danger because of the size of the seas. When I had my nightmare trip, we had at least 18-20ft in every wave. It was the nasties that washed across the face of those monsters that then when two meet on the big swells face, they smashed together and crested and broke. It was the mess that then meet us crashing down the face that gave us the real scares.
I have a lot of experience in small beach cats, but I honestly don't know how I would have attempted to take on waves of that size with a large multi. The mono may have been uncomfortable, but she could handle it well. So I want to know can a multi handle that sort of stuff well too.
__________________
Wheels

For God so loved the world..........He didn't send a committee.
Alan Wheeler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2008, 18:07   #15
cruiser

Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 4,525
Understood.

Yeowch! I hope my poor little multi never has to experience the seas you're talking about here. If it did, I would have to do more weather and route planning forecasting.




Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Wheeler View Post
No that is pretty much a normal sail for us here. I am talking about at least a 25-30ft wave base line and the nasty stuff on top of that again. I mean, stability in any boat is only ever going to be in the extreme situations. A multi hull will handle the smaller stuff with ease. The danger is when you are in the hopefully once in a life time, and hopefully it is someone elses life time where you are in serious danger because of the size of the seas. When I had my nightmare trip, we had at least 18-20ft in every wave. It was the nasties that washed across the face of those monsters that then when two meet on the big swells face, they smashed together and crested and broke. It was the mess that then meet us crashing down the face that gave us the real scares.
I have a lot of experience in small beach cats, but I honestly don't know how I would have attempted to take on waves of that size with a large multi. The mono may have been uncomfortable, but she could handle it well. So I want to know can a multi handle that sort of stuff well too.
__________________

__________________
ssullivan is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
rode

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
How Much Rode? rleslie Anchoring & Mooring 26 25-02-2008 08:11
living with a big cat? Brandywine Multihull Sailboats 8 19-12-2007 14:45
Big cat small crew? Brandywine Multihull Sailboats 11 31-05-2007 16:49
How Much Rode? Charlie Anchoring & Mooring 36 26-03-2007 17:45
my big, big, plan faithful Meets & Greets 1 17-10-2004 15:28



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:44.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.