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Old 02-02-2012, 04:03   #16
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Re: Which to buy: Newer ex-charter or older private owner?

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I hate to report but my boat is dam heavy. I don't know what FP says it should weigh but ck the Carving and Marking plate
Palarran,

The "registered tonnage" that has been "carved" in your boat when it was registered is (loosely speaking) is not a measure of the boats displacement/weight. It is a rough estimate of internal volume of the boat, both above water and below water. It is measured in tons instead of cubic feet or cubic meters because the historical purpose of this was to estimate the weight of goods that could be carried assuming a certain specific weight (historically 100 cubic feet per ton if I recall correctly). Different countries have different formulas but the spirit is the same, to measure internal volume (proxy for weight of goods that could fit inside) and not weight of the boat.

Bottom line in relation with this thread is that boats that are more lightly built will have more tons of "registered tonnage" (ie internal volume) for each ton of "displacement" (ie weight) and vice versa.
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Old 02-02-2012, 05:05   #17
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Don't disagree with your comments on vessels. This is the of the new generation vessels I am looking at. 2010 design.
Spent an hour with Nathan looking over that boat the other day. A very interesting design with a lot of very sensible ideas.
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Old 02-02-2012, 06:21   #18
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I still think, for the buck, the FP Bahia is the best boat out there. It it wasn't for us having 8 to 10 people on board consistently I'd be a proud owner of one. Having sailed one cat with poor bridge deck clearance, make sure what you get is high and without protrusions. I'd take a R&C 46 (not a 47 though) also. No Lagoon's, Catana's, or Outreamer's are in my future. Now, the Voyage 50, that's a nice boat. And the St. Francis 50 - top of the list.
We close on an 05 Bahia tomorrow. We've looked at very literally every available production model from the last 10 years (38-55') and for us, it's perfect. Plenty of room, lots of custom opportunity and great handling.
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Thanks Sand Crab. It's less then 3 months away. After waiting so long it seems like next week.

I hate to report but my boat is dam heavy. I don't know what FP says it should weigh but ck the Carving and Marking plate
They have you at 13,000 kg. Must be filled with helium.
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Old 02-02-2012, 12:47   #20
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Palarran,

The "registered tonnage" that has been "carved" in your boat when it was registered is (loosely speaking) is not a measure of the boats displacement/weight. It is a rough estimate of internal volume of the boat, both above water and below water. It is measured in tons instead of cubic feet or cubic meters because the historical purpose of this was to estimate the weight of goods that could be carried assuming a certain specific weight (historically 100 cubic feet per ton if I recall correctly). Different countries have different formulas but the spirit is the same, to measure internal volume (proxy for weight of goods that could fit inside) and not weight of the boat.

Bottom line in relation with this thread is that boats that are more lightly built will have more tons of "registered tonnage" (ie internal volume) for each ton of "displacement" (ie weight) and vice versa.
That is very funny for me. Thank you so much for clarifying it. I honestly couldn't understand how the boat could be that heavy. Beureau Veritas did the weights and measure and I thought that was it. The previous owner had a lot of extra's installed on it so I figured that maybe 5000 lbs over the manufacturer's rating. Then when I would compare, it is like twice as much. Now I get it. Thanks again.
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We close on an 05 Bahia tomorrow. We've looked at very literally every available production model from the last 10 years (38-55') and for us, it's perfect. Plenty of room, lots of custom opportunity and great handling.
Congratulations. Where did you buy it? I do agree with being able to customize the Bahia. I like the little midship berths. A long time ago I had a list of what I would do to customize a Bahia for cruising vs. charter. At the price point, you can spend a pretty good buck on extras and still be whole in the end.
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Re: Which to buy: Newer ex-charter or older private owner?

Downunder,
That boat looks great. I've never seen a built in stern anchor. The bracing ridge down the center may cause some drag but should be very good for clearance. It looks super solid. Where's the mast?
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That boat looks great. I've never seen a built in stern anchor. The bracing ridge down the center may cause some drag but should be very good for clearance. It looks super solid. Where's the mast?
Mast was to be fitted yesterday, but sent wrong parts although correct order so will be delayed 2 weeks. Mast being centrally located has no spreaders and all composite chainplates. Don't think the wave breaker is an issue as some of the fastest racing crowther's had center pods and it is structural to support the mid mounted mast and a drop for stern anchor chain. All heavy weight certrally located.

Quote Factor " Spent an hour with Nathan looking over that boat the other day. A very interesting design with a lot of very sensible ideas. "

Wondered how long it would take for you to visit. I spent 2 hours aboad in middle of a hot sunny day in January and the airflow through the vessel was fantastic. I could not believe how cool it was. Apart from my dislike of this particular internal fitout I can't think of any changes I would make vessel wise. Water capture from both saloon and cockpit canopy, best shade potection I have seen. Can't wait to see how well she sails. If anything like she motors will be exceptional.

By the way I am chartering a WRAY Seawind 1000 in Whitsundays in March to start my sailing learning curve.

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Congrats on your purchase. I'd love to know more about why you chose your boat and what you considered.
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My suggestion would be to narrow in on the particular cat or type of cat you want, and then compare ex-charter vs. private owner. It matters more that you get the right boat for you, and then choose the best/most affordable version of that boat that fits your budget.

Second that suggestion
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