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Old 13-05-2012, 16:24   #106
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Re: What is the Smallest Multihull You Can Take Blue Water Cruising?

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You implying this design can sail 380 Nm a day in open ocean conditions?

Or rather explaining why you took a momentary speed on this video?

How many miles a day will this boat sail in 20-22 kts and fully built ocean swells?

AGAIN: not 'the smallest multi', see this thread's title.

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I'm not implying anything. I'm SAYING that your generalisations are incorrect. They may apply to some boats, but not all of them.

BTW that boat has many days of over 200 ocean miles under her keels. Has also done 1000 mile ocean passages to windward - which as we all "know" cat's can't do.

As for the "samllest" multi - well for me, the Mango is close to being the smallest cat I'd want to go cruising in. As in full time, live aboard, blue water cruising.

But as I've said, I know a guy who cruises a Seawind 24, for fairly extended periods - 6 months or so at a time, living aboard. But only Qld coastal cruising.

Depends on your definitions, doesn't it?

But to suggest that because someone failed to escape a cyclone in a 9m Catalac somehow proves nothing short of Banque Populaire could do so, is IMO, rubbish.
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Old 13-05-2012, 16:25   #107
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Re: What is the Smallest Multihull You Can Take Blue Water Cruising?

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How many miles a day will this boat sail in 20-22 kts and fully built ocean swells?
Just enough to leave you over the horizon.
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Old 13-05-2012, 16:29   #108
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Someone has already mentioned the Tiki21... having owned one I agree... its a great boat...
But personally I'd go for the Tiki26 which I have also owned and sailed in a F7 gusting 8 across the channel from Cherbourgh to Poole, UK.
Its more comfortable and roomy below and allows enough storage for serious distances without living on beans and 2 litres a day...
Set up one side for galley and food storeage and the other for personal living space, water tanks both sides... 1 for galley and 1 for heads...
Throw in an areodynamic sprayhood and you've a great sea berth for solo sailing...
With the right rig they are fast... I clocked 17kts in mine... but it was 'WET'.....
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Old 13-05-2012, 17:36   #110
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Re: What is the Smallest Multihull You Can Take Blue Water Cruising?

Wow, what a lot of thread drift. Glad to see boatman got us back on track. I'd go with the T26 as well maybe even the T30 for a bit more room. They are very tough boats.
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Re: What is the Smallest Multihull You Can Take Blue Water Cruising?

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Just enough to leave you over the horizon.
You ARE quick, at avoiding answers that do not fit your wishfull thinking.

Take this.

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Re: What is the Smallest Multihull You Can Take Blue Water Cruising?

Ya got me beat, that's like Mach 1.
You must have one of these.
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Old 13-05-2012, 19:57   #113
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As far as Katrina goes (much as we should try to avoid making valid judgments based on one specific storm):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...05-2145UTC.jpg

Have a look at the picture and tell where you would like to 'get out of the way', for I cannot see such a place in the picture.
In August, I would like to be in Michigan or Canada.

I'm not sure if the 'perfect' catamaran for everyone will ever be made. Small, fast, spacious interior, bridgedeck clearance, lightweight, no hobby horsing, and inexpensive (for some of us). It also has to be functional and easy to live on.
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In August, I would like to be in Michigan or Canada.

I'm not sure if the 'perfect' catamaran for everyone will ever be made. Small, fast, spacious interior, bridgedeck clearance, lightweight, no hobby horsing, and inexpensive (for some of us). It also has to be functional and easy to live on.
Sounds rather like a Shuttleworth 31 !
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Old 14-05-2012, 04:51   #116
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Re: what is the smallest multihull you can take blue water cruising?

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...BTW We are all talking speeds and cyclones here. Meanwhile, how many cats are designed to take a spell of real bad weather offshore? One look at their HUGE and FLIMSY cockpit-bridgedeck doors and windows can make one ponder.
You'd be surprised. A Catalac 12M was in the Queen's Birthday Storm disaster. An event where a Catalac 12 meter survived 100 knot + winds and seas approaching 30 meters without dismasting in a storm where every monohull rolled and was dismasted causing many injuries and lives were lost.

We all have to keep in mind that the number one job any boat has is to keep her crew safe.

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Couldn't agree more but didn't bring it up as the thread is called "What is the Smallest Multihull You Can Take Blue Water Cruising? " And would be called a thread drifter.

Also what is standing room? For me it's 6'4"...
Again, You'd be Surprised.... Even my Catalac 8M has 6' 5" headroom throughout the boat.
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Re: What is the Smallest Multihull You Can Take Blue Water Cruising?

There we go then, the answer is 8 meters. Thread Closed.......

I must say, it's been EVER SO usefull to have videos posted of 45ft Cat's doing 20kts considering the threads title. May as well put a couple of monohull power boat ones on too, about as relavent.

To add with my experience, an 8-9 meter (30ft) cat will take you cruising but will it be comfortable? That's another matter entirely.

I've had my 9 meter cat in force 7 seas on the Portuguese coast (will the assistance of Boatman) and she felt safe and solid, however, beating into the weather when we had to turn East at the bottom of the Iberian coast was pretty uncomfortable.

Simple fact is, the longer the hull, the more comfortable ride you'll have. I'd say that 10m (34ft) would be a reasonable compromise.
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(...) To add with my experience, an 8-9 meter (30ft) cat will take you cruising but will it be comfortable? That's another matter entirely.(...)
Seen some designs of 32-33' that were OK in this respect. New boats tend to be way ahead when compared to earlier designs.

Check this one out: edel_33

Looks comfortable, to me.

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Re: What is the Smallest Multihull You Can Take Blue Water Cruising?

Very interesting design, the near virtical lines of the main saloon must be very good for space efficiancy. Shame the windows are so small though, for me, one of the big plus points of Cat' design is you can see out.
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Dont know your location, here's a 35 for $1000 a foot!

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/boa/2987635507.html
I believe I used to see that boat out of the water on the West side of Marrowstone Island just north of Mystery Bay.
It was there for several years, then gone.
I always thought it was a cool looking boat, but never saw it sailing.
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