Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 19-04-2009, 02:32   #1
Registered User
 
djeeke's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Belgium
Boat: Jaguar 27 - Nothing else matters
Posts: 96
What Cat is this ?

I just saw an add listing this cat for sale....
The add however does not tell what kind of boat this is, it is listed as a 34 ft...
Supposedly built in 1976...
Anybody has an idea what I am looking at ?







__________________

__________________
1987 Jaguar 27 - Nothing else matters - Sailing around Dutch waters & 1979 Catalac 8M - 8-84 - Galu'Lati Go - Work in progress
djeeke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-04-2009, 02:34   #2
Registered User
 
djeeke's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Belgium
Boat: Jaguar 27 - Nothing else matters
Posts: 96
And oh yes... My first guess was an Iroquois...
But a lot of things don't match up (keels instead of boards, windows, transom, rudders not transom hung, ...)
__________________

__________________
1987 Jaguar 27 - Nothing else matters - Sailing around Dutch waters & 1979 Catalac 8M - 8-84 - Galu'Lati Go - Work in progress
djeeke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-04-2009, 03:31   #3
cruiser

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: No longer post here
Boat: Catalac Catamaran
Posts: 2,462
The hull and cabin shape looks like an "Aristicat" but the windows and cockpit do not. Also, no Cat had transom steps in the '70s, so these had to be added later. Nothing comes to mind this morning except I would say it's a British design.
__________________
Tropic Cat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-04-2009, 04:19   #4
cruiser

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: No longer post here
Boat: Catalac Catamaran
Posts: 2,462
My other two guesses were a Comanche or Bobcat based strictly on hull and cabin design.

One thing I noticed is that this boat appears to have a crossbar in the bow where all British boats of that vintage had solid foredecks as did every Cat I can think of built in the '70's. With the exception of the James Wharram designs. It would appear that I've used up my guesses!!

I had a spelling error in the post above. "Aristicat" should be "Aristocat". Apparently the time to edit a post is considerably shorter than it used to be.
__________________
Tropic Cat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-04-2009, 04:55   #5
Registered User
 
djeeke's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Belgium
Boat: Jaguar 27 - Nothing else matters
Posts: 96
Thanks Rick !
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tropic Cat View Post
One thing I noticed is that this boat appears to have a crossbar in the bow where all British boats of that vintage had solid foredecks as did every Cat I can think of built in the '70's with the exception of the James Wharram designs.
That's why I thought of the Iroquois...
Comanche, don't think so...
__________________
1987 Jaguar 27 - Nothing else matters - Sailing around Dutch waters & 1979 Catalac 8M - 8-84 - Galu'Lati Go - Work in progress
djeeke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-04-2009, 06:47   #6
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Duluth,Minnesota
Boat: Lindenberg 26 & Aloha 8.2
Posts: 984
Its deffinatly a Rod Mcalpine Downie design from the 60s or 70s by the hull shape at the bows,im not sure of all the models but i would guess an Iriquois with owner modifications such as the transom extensions. The cabinside windows have been filled in and modern Lewmar type ports added, im fairly sure the Iriquois had a fwd crossbeam and a net and adding keels is not uncommon on older multis,a lot of folks put Cross keels on piver tris of that era.
Steve.
__________________
clockwork orange is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-04-2009, 09:26   #7
Registered User
 
djeeke's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Belgium
Boat: Jaguar 27 - Nothing else matters
Posts: 96
Mistery probably solved ...

A member of the Iroquois group told me this is definitely an Iroquois although it has been extensively modified...

I wonder if this extension to 34ft on the already narrow beam of the Iroquois was a smart move ...
__________________
1987 Jaguar 27 - Nothing else matters - Sailing around Dutch waters & 1979 Catalac 8M - 8-84 - Galu'Lati Go - Work in progress
djeeke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-04-2009, 09:34   #8
Senior Cruiser
 
sandy daugherty's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: near Annapolis
Boat: PDQ 36 & Atlantic 42
Posts: 1,178
I have a suspicion that those are not fixed keels, but centerboards, retracted. That would appeal to the sailor in me, but the Sloth in me wonders what space there is left in that area, and how hard they are to maintain. The rudders are NOT pretty, but....
__________________
sandy daugherty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-04-2009, 09:56   #9
Sponsoring Vendor

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: UK and BC, Canada when not sailing
Boat: 25ft Merlin catamaran, 34ft Romany catamaran
Posts: 116
It is definitely an Iroquois, but one that has been very heavily modified. LAR keels, fixed rudders (rather strange looking) and lengthened aft.
If it is really 34ft long then it is narrower (at 13ft) than many monohulls. No extra room inside compared to a standard model.

Multihulls are usually lengthened when they get too heavy and people want to see the transoms out of the water. Problem is that many extensions are so heavy in themselves (and of course are right aft) that the boat just sinks right back down again.

I'd avoid it.

Incidentally not sure if you knew, but the Aristocat in a later life became the original Gemini

just keep looking, somewhere is the boat for you

Richard Woods of Woods Designs

Woods Designs Sailing Catamarans
Woods Designs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-04-2009, 09:57   #10
Registered User
 
djeeke's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Belgium
Boat: Jaguar 27 - Nothing else matters
Posts: 96
Hi Sandy !

I still think it's a fixed keel of some sort...

This is what the Iroquois centerboards look like :

note: unable to go to the full down position as the boat was not floating high enough
__________________
1987 Jaguar 27 - Nothing else matters - Sailing around Dutch waters & 1979 Catalac 8M - 8-84 - Galu'Lati Go - Work in progress
djeeke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-04-2009, 11:38   #11
Registered User
 
djeeke's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Belgium
Boat: Jaguar 27 - Nothing else matters
Posts: 96
Thanks Richard, your feedback is much appreciated (as usual !)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Woods Designs View Post
It is definitely an Iroquois, but one that has been very heavily modified. LAR keels, fixed rudders (rather strange looking) and lengthened aft.
* LAR keels -no real comment has its advantages and disadvantages...
* Rudders, they look like some kind of unbalanced rudders, not really the way to go I suppose...
* Lengthened aft, they added transom steps, if they started from an Iroquois MKII (31ft 6inches) they will be close to the 34 ft (actually they list it as 10.5m) Indeed adding a lot of weight aft as they even moved the engine backward...
* You're absolutely true, 34ft against the standard Iroquis 13 ft beam makes an extremely narrow cat...


Quote:
Originally Posted by Woods Designs View Post
Incidentally not sure if you knew, but the Aristocat in a later life became the original Gemini
I just came found out myself since Rick Mentioned the Aristocat and I did a little lookup on this boat...
Also I saw there is one for sale click here : Aristocat catamaran for sale

I must say I wonder how someone manages going forward on this boat, very narrow passage there if you ask me !!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Woods Designs View Post
just keep looking, somewhere is the boat for you
We believe the very same !!!
__________________

__________________
1987 Jaguar 27 - Nothing else matters - Sailing around Dutch waters & 1979 Catalac 8M - 8-84 - Galu'Lati Go - Work in progress
djeeke is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
We now have our Cat! Want to sail Multihull Sailboats 11 01-04-2009 08:19
Which old cat? FerdinandMagellan Multihull Sailboats 17 17-12-2008 06:22
Sea Chase Cat, or similar large cat...? CSY Man Multihull Sailboats 1 08-11-2004 10:25
Windvane on a Cat irwinsailor Seamanship & Boat Handling 1 29-04-2004 08:37



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 00:20.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.