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Old 25-03-2011, 09:30   #31
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Having now spent a great deal of time on a Lagoon 420 diesel I must defend them. Avanga sails remarkably well for a floating condo. Remember:

Lagoon 420 Wins Arc Rally Multihulls Division

Atlantic Rally for Cruisers 2009
6 January 2010: The Lagoon 420 Vanora won the Multihulls Division at the 2009 Atlantic Rally for Cruisers. Peter Seitz from Germany sailed the Vanora to victory.
M. Jensen from Norway placed 2nd with the Lagoon 440 Far Far II.



Lagoons were the highlight of the boat race proving first-class excellence.
Was the Lagoon 420 first over the line or did it win on corrected time?
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Old 26-03-2011, 11:51   #32
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Re: What are the slowest cats?

I was watching this thread to see if any catamaran's were really bashed. We just bought our 02 Gemini 105MC last fall with the 420 sq ft screecher sail and it scoots right along if were not loaded with crusing gear and supplies and then it moves right along compaired to many single hulled sailboats. We can't waite to enter a local Saturday race this spring but I guess we'll be in our own class with no other multi-hulls to race against.

We didn't buy our boat to race. We are very happy setting at anchor watching the monohull boats wabbeling from side to side like our previous boat always did. My neck still hurts just watching the wabbling.
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Old 26-03-2011, 13:39   #33
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I was watching this thread to see if any catamaran's were really bashed. We just bought our 02 Gemini 105MC last fall with the 420 sq ft screecher sail and it scoots right along if were not loaded with crusing gear and supplies and then it moves right along compaired to many single hulled sailboats. We can't waite to enter a local Saturday race this spring but I guess we'll be in our own class with no other multi-hulls to race against.

We didn't buy our boat to race. We are very happy setting at anchor watching the monohull boats wabbeling from side to side like our previous boat always did. My neck still hurts just watching the wabbling.

Don't rub it in too much as a lot of mono hullers are sensitive and don't like being told that stuff.
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Don't rub it in too much as a lot of mono hullers are sensitive and don't like being told that stuff.
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Old 26-03-2011, 13:57   #35
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Re: What are the slowest cats?

OK, I guess I was wrong about the Lagoon 420. Planetoftheapes, a couple of questions
1. Was the winning boat a 420D or hybrid?
2. Were the crew very experienced?
3. Do you feel I wasn't too far off the mark regarding the 420 Hybrid?
4. What is your nomination for the last place modern boat?

C'mon you guys. Someone has to be in last place. Let's hear the nominations. We can break it down into categories. My worst built nomination goes to the Bumfuzzle boat the Wildcat 35. BOB
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Re: What are the slowest cats?

I was chatting about our previous monohull sailboat at anchor REALLY. No bashing here, we LIKED our previous monohull sailboat and we got a good price when we sold it last month after owning it almost 4 years, it is why we bought this boat and keep sailing.
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We can break it down into categories. My worst built nomination goes to the Bumfuzzle boat the Wildcat 35. BOB
This thread is for slowest.

Another thread would be for worst built.

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Old 26-03-2011, 14:48   #38
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OK, I guess I was wrong about the Lagoon 420. Planetoftheapes, a couple of questions
1. Was the winning boat a 420D or hybrid?
2. Were the crew very experienced?
3. Do you feel I wasn't too far off the mark regarding the 420 Hybrid?
4. What is your nomination for the last place modern boat?

C'mon you guys. Someone has to be in last place. Let's hear the nominations. We can break it down into categories. My worst built nomination goes to the Bumfuzzle boat the Wildcat 35. BOB
I just looked it up, the Lagoon 420 won on corrected time. Out of the 9 multis in the race they were 5th to finish. Winning on corrected time doesn't mean their boat was fast just that either they had a great crew or a good rating.
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i like that catfisher-- is a kinda cat i could get with-- other than bubba, that is....
i have that pic of free cat in my files from years ago--is good one...
Bubba is a sissy cat. Just saying
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Having now spent a great deal of time on a Lagoon 420 diesel I must defend them. Avanga sails remarkably well for a floating condo. Remember:

Lagoon 420 Wins Arc Rally Multihulls Division
Atlantic Rally for Cruisers 2009
6 January 2010: The Lagoon 420 Vanora won the Multihulls Division at the 2009 Atlantic Rally for Cruisers. Peter Seitz from Germany sailed the Vanora to victory.
M. Jensen from Norway placed 2nd with the Lagoon 440 Far Far II.

Lagoons were the highlight of the boat race proving first-class excellence.
I dont know about the 2009 ARC but there were some interesting comments from the new Catana 47 crew who finished 3rd to 2 lagoons - 440 and a 57. They basically accused them of falsifying their engine hours after they magically made a few 100 miles in calms and only 20 hours on the engines whole trip....

not sure if you can read much into the arc when the engine hours are an honesty system
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heres' the link. some sour grapes as i think Catana thought it would shoe it in (and on paper it should have)

Catana 47 "Rafale" on the podium third place to the ARC 2011 !
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Catfisher, but they are fun to look at and the owners always seem proud.

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Wow! How did I miss that? Is it even real? It's like a houseboat with sails!! This could be my next boat.
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heres' the link. some sour grapes as i think Catana thought it would shoe it in (and on paper it should have)

Catana 47 "Rafale" on the podium third place to the ARC 2011 !
"Miraculously, some boats have traveled hundreds of miles in a few hours with the local weather announcing "failure of trade winds" and 0 knots of wind...Unfortunatelyfor the participants, the organization does not proceed to the counting of the numbers of hours using the engines. They are only declared on honor..."

So.... Lagoons can travel over 100mph under motor? Cheats or not, I would buy a Lagoon on that statistic alone!
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See my post #13 about the 420/421 here.
2007 420 Advice Requested
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Length is an obvious issue with speed too. Yet our PDQ32 is no slouch...even with the self tacking jib. But we are selling her because I have a case of "13-foot-itis" and want a 45 footer. As I look at boats in that range it's hard not to think that the new Lagoon 450 won't be a slow boat. It's weight is just hidious. Yet I turn on You Tube and watch the videos of L450's flying along. I have to wonder if these companies (like Lagoon and FP) who build such high numbers of cats in so many mid-large sizes have learned via experience how to make even a fat cat cruise at a reasonable speed. The L450 remains as #2 of our top 3 in choices for our next boat.
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