D&D - No, I can't say my mind would be totally at ease. The Voyages line seem to have a bit of reputation for low clearance (the older Norseman 430 even more so). I just think this incident is a probably more of a new design error somewhere... Pennywhistle's cat being Hull
#5 of the 450 version and only #2 of that layout with the hard top.
Again it all comes down to compromises.
jmpilot - I really like the Lagoons. All of them except maybe the 440 with what I think is a ridiculous helm position and impossible boom height.
I think the biggest flaw (from a live aboard point of view) in the smaller Lagoons is their galleys. Food
, shelter. If you can't prep the food
properly there really isn't any point in worrying about the other two.
Lagoon 380 - The galley
in the 380 is practically non-existent (the galley in your 44 center cockpit
will be easily twice the size and much more functional) and I have seen all kinds of work arounds for counter space including removable counter/cutting boards over the hull
access / companionway
for 4 people long term is also going to be an issue. Oh, and I bash my head
off the bimini
going into the cockpit
- so did everyone else - in fact they redesigned it in later models, probably due to concussion related lawsuits. However, If I was forced to buy a 38 foot cat, this would be a hard one to beat. There just isn't another 38 footer with the same volume. If you are a couple without kids
this could be a great boat. You could even get a maritime divorce and live in separate hulls.
Lagoon 410 - I really like this boat. The galley is much larger and more functional than the 380. The salon
is also much improved with a reasonable nav station and more storage
. The older 2 head
versions have a nice separate shower
in the head (vice wet head) and the owners versions with two heads is almost ideal for us. The cockpit
is spacious and deck
access is great, wide and flat. I would be lying if I didn't say that this cat is very much a favorite of mine. What I didn't like is that there seems to be stress fractures in all the ones I have seen where the mast
comes through the cabin
roof. This isn't structural at this point, the mast
is stepped lower down, but it just makes me wonder. I'm also not a real fan of the engine
location under the aft berths. Not a show stopper but not my preference as I would rather have the engine fully out of the living space. I know, I know, engines aren't supposed to smell, bla, bla, bla. If engines were such spotless, smell-less beasts whey do they put a firewall between them and us in our cars, planes and boats. Engine spaces are there for a reason... for engines. Anyway, these are such nice cats that they have held their value quite well and are often priced in the range of the Leopard
4500 and 4700's. And that's the rub. The Leopards are going to sail circles around the 410 and be more sea kindly with their length. The Leopards have a superior galley and as far as I can tell are a more solid boat.
That leads me the the Lagoon 420
. This is a beautiful cat. I can sit on it and dream of living in its HUGE hard covered cockpit, enormous galley and salon
. The forward nav station is perfect. The three head, three cabin
owners version is my dream boat. Of course the Leopards will still out-sail it but who would care while you were sipping martinis at the integrated helm (I feel like some boat avert). If you can't tell, I LOVE this cat. I also can't afford it.
I put the PDQ
44/42 in the same camp as the Lagoon 420
. Like you said, hard to find one though. There were 5 on the market last Oct 2008 ranging from $450K for a 2001 (Kona Kai - 42') to $795K for a 2006. There was also a 2007 for $750K (Cat's PJ's - 44') --- all of which are well out of my price
range. Beer budget
, champagne tastes.
That pretty much sums up my Lagoon thoughts. If you haven't been on any of these cats you really owe it to yourself to check them out. There is a reason why Lagoon has sold so many - they are great.
jmpilot - how many of you are on your 44CC?