Originally Posted by rossad
You would have to include these designs you mentioned. The Seaclipper is another way of entry into the trimaran build that many can afford while young.
It would certainly keep it all alive and add value to every Jim and Johns designs.
With the new Seaclipper concept
that makes for new generations coming into the forum.
Because these boats are so special they just do need to be saved. There will never be more built or many more built except for the Seaclipper. It's over and the cruising seafaring as Jim puts it needs to be revitalised using the Seaclipper designs and the constant camber methods.
It is differcult as Trimarans have had such a sticking bad rap ever since they where introduced by Arther Piver
. The Searunner designs are so special because they worked and they are truely proven. Because of the cultural ways we live now the ply Trimaran is a dying culture. It needs to be saved and the only way to do this is to start with a website that brings together all Searunner and CC owners and this would be part and parcel of the selling and buying
these boats. The condition of each vessel and new gear
incorporated and adapted for the winning formula of the design. The Searunner and CC could have a revolutionary come back but it would have to be driven by somebody that centralizes the revolution. Nobody has time these days. Life seems too short. But for families and single
handed sailors really nothing is superier than the Searunner.
And thank you to you Maren
You started this forum here in 2008 and now i see its on the 99 page on my computor.
What ever happened to Steve Rust.
"Ditto"... those thoughts. It would be great to have a dedicated web site and updated / maintained Owners List. We tried to get on the list several times, but Bob was having "server problems" at the time, then... I don't know what happened with the site.
I might add, about the home builder
It wasn't so much that the interest in trimarans just waned, as a combination of events
Decades ago, the modern trimaran (which was necessarily built by a home builder), is largely responsible for the acceptance and popularity of those slick production catamarans out there these days. It was the lack of production multihulls, that drove the home builder
movement, because if you wanted a trimaran, building one was how you got one.
For those who weren't part of the movement, (40 years ago), it is hard to grasp how much these boats just pissed off the monohull
establishment. They seemed to see us as a threat! Over decades, this changed, and the production multihull
options expanded, mostly with cats... The early offerings left a lot to be desired. Over time, some got better, but most got more and more like an apartment, because this was what sells production boats. (Same is true for monohulls).
With trimarans, they were not selling boats, they were selling plans to build boats, to a very different sort of person. (Usually to an "I'm gettin outta here" counter culture type, like me)... Very few people put themselves through building a boat successfully, if they were not serious about cruising. This is VS the modern production cat's strong suite, "palatial accommodations and big parties at their dock".
The tris out there were mostly built to much better designs than the production cats, but due to having less accommodations per foot of length, and being a more time consuming structure to build, the tris never caught on with production builders. They were less cost effective and less appealing, as far as production boat "bean counters" were concerned.
MOST "production" multihulls these days, will seldom leave the dock
, except for a daysail, in protected water
. In the trimaran heyday, the opposite was true. These boats went places!
Another thing that changed the landscape, was the advent of computers
, the Internet
, and the modern technology age. This coincided with the economic realities about multihulls, and the Cat VS Tri conundrum: The better boat cost more to build, takes longer, and is not the better seller...
First was GPS
. It made cruising easily available to the personality type that would never have done so otherwise, (OR had the patience to build his own boat)... These folks were the perfect production cat "market".
Remember, back in the day, most of these home builders had already built their own house, furniture, and a couple of dinghies. Before the technology era, skills with ones hands was quite common. These days, the "Jack of all trades", is a rare breed, as it will not make you rich.
These multi skilled folks are now too old, too tired, or have moved on to the happy cruising ground... With rare exceptions, the younger generations since could possibly develop the skills, but not the "personality traits" to build a cruising boat.
The wonderful tris that are still out there remain the best boats in many ways, and the rare new builders (using WEST & LPs), will have the best of the best, but I can't imagine a resurgence of the home multihull
builder movement really happening.
The smaller SeaClippers and such, are fast enough to build, and cheap
enough, to be the exceptions. It is great for us to nurse these "oldie but goodie woodies" along, assist that rare breed building now, and encourage the resurgence of building in the narrow market that still exist for them, the daysail or pocket cruiser