Originally Posted by avid
My wife and I met you and your family
. We were there with a sailing instructor. I have followed your blog and have been wondering what your plans were at this point. We were especially interested in and taken by your DeFevere Fever blog entry. It really made us consider if we wanted a trawler instead of sailboat. We have been interested in sailing cats all along. Even though we were in Bimini
in a monohull
We already own a small motorhome and are quite capable of living small. If we buy a cruising boat we will intend to spend 5 or 6 months living aboard
in the FL and the Bahamas
. Comfort is a big priority. We are trying to buy or last boat, first. This is a big challenge.
If I purchase
a sail cat it would be a Fountaine Pajot
Mahe like Cotemar owns or a Maine cat
like Ortolan. I am looking for a boat that sails
well. If it is trawler it will probably be a single engine
trawler like a Kadey-Krogen, Selene, or the like. Have you considered a Kadey-Krogen Manatee? Right now there is a guy, who post here as well, headed to the Azores
in his 42' 1988 Kadey-Krogen. Another couple went from Puerto Vallarta
to Nuka Hiva in their 42' Krogen this spring. Trawlers, as you know, would provide ample room for you family
We are having fun deciding and I hope you are enjoying you new quest as well. Looking forward to seeing what you decide. Tell your wife and kids
we said hello.
Hi Avid - Great to hear from you again. Not sure what your budget
is, but one of the best boats we ever saw in our travels for a couple was a PDQ
34. It is a power cat and cruises in the double digits but still gets trawler mileage (4 gph @ 11kts, 8 at 18) because it is so light. Another couple we met had a Gemini
105MC which is a smaller catamaran
. They liked to live simply and would spend months gunkholing the north coast of Cuba
. Sailed pretty fast off the wind too.
On trawlers, if comfort is king, then I think some kind of stabilization is a must for longer passages. That being said, to quote one of our un-stabilized trawler friends "you can do anything for 5 hours
". That was the morning we left for a 40 mile passage
into 20 knots and 3-4 foot seas. We left at the same time but they had lunch at our destination
(they went 8kts) and we didn't get in until after supper (we went 4kts). We should have stayed put but it was our last chance weather
wise for a week to get to our destination
so we put up with a crap day to get there. Shorter passages make a less comfortable ride more palatable.
On the hook, I am sure cats are king, with shallow draft
so you can snug up to the shore for wind coverage, less roll if there is swell and less cave-ish living space. On a super rainy day we all hung out on the trawlers not the mono sailboats because of the amount of space both inside the boat and on the back deck
(sundeck) of the boat. Not sure whose boat we would have hung out on if there was a Cat in the mix.
I think it is important to decouple comfort at sea from comfort at anchor
, both are important but not necessarily related. In seven months we spent 14 days at sea, less than 10% of the time. Half of those days were flat and easy, 4 were rolly and annoying and 3 were very rough and hellish. The rolly annoying days were generally motoring days with no wind and the boat would roll back and forth about 10 to 15 degrees. The rough days were to all beating to windward either by motor
or motor-sailing into 20 knots.
Compared to a monohull
the trawlers and cats deal with the annoying days by making them shorter (hopefully true with a sail cat too). Only the un-stabilized trawler doesn't attempt to mitigate some of the motion in addition to going faster.
At anchor, the catamarans seem to move a little all the time, but when it is really rolly they move less than any mono-hull. Something most power boats and sailing catamarans share compared to mono-sailers is the shallow draft
which helps them in selecting a site to anchor which might be more sheltered. Where trawlers beat the mono sailboat is in the how much like a house they are. The catamarans, power or sail, are more airy and bright with 360 view but have a less house like galley
and the seating is molded in which done right is comfortable and done wrong is awful - but molded seating can never be as good as a lazy boy and sofa which most trawlers have on board.