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**weavis** · 07-03-2016, 14:21

Sexy is as sexy does.
I can see the appeal in some of the other cats mentioned....

UNCIVILIZED · 07-03-2016, 15:53

I'll never get the reverse bows thing. They strike a chord in me, like a pimped out Honda Civic, with a chopper gunned hood topped with a layer of interwoven carbon & kevlar.
In all ways; form, function, expense, & lacking in any class or lines.

**boatman61** · 07-03-2016, 15:59

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Originally Posted by weavis

Sexy is as sexy does.
I can see the appeal in some of the other cats mentioned....

Sexy can be deadly.. variations of Syphilis are incurable and kill..

But then again.. you'll be dying doing what you Love..

tp12 · 07-03-2016, 15:59

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I'll never get the reverse bows thing. They strike a chord in me, like a pimped out Honda Civic, with a chopper gunned hood topped with a layer of interwoven carbon & kevlar.

In all ways; form, function, expense, & lacking in any class or lines.

Fair enough. Aesthetics are a very personal thing. To me they look modern and help give the boat a powerful stance.

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Bill Seal · 07-03-2016, 16:18

Yep, really modern

**boatman61** · 07-03-2016, 16:20

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Originally Posted by tp12

Fair enough. Aesthetics are a very personal thing. To me they look modern and help give the boat a powerful stance.

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You'll love this modern Destroyer then..

circa 1910

**s/v Jedi** · 07-03-2016, 16:23

They range from this:

to cats classy like this:

and I bet some find the first one sexier

Training Wheels · 07-03-2016, 16:23

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Originally Posted by UNCIVILIZED

I'll never get the reverse bows thing. They strike a chord in me, like a pimped out Honda Civic, with a chopper gunned hood topped with a layer of interwoven carbon & kevlar.
In all ways; form, function, expense, & lacking in any class or lines.

+1!!!

**weavis** · 07-03-2016, 16:37

Tag is way sexy in action. I watched it in Mallorca hit the waves......... woo hoo!

Factor · 07-03-2016, 16:54

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Originally Posted by tp12

Fair enough. Aesthetics are a very personal thing. To me they look modern and help give the boat a powerful stance.

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its not an aesthetic thing, well its not an aesthetic thing in a high performance boat, A schionning G Force for example the reverse bows primarily aid in reduction in pitching which as well as being uncomfortable it a performance sapper, they also aid in dispersion of water as in the bow wave is less likely to climb and stay attached to the bow, leading to a reduction in spray. (having said that they will be wetter when the bow buries with more water coming on deck)

reverse bows on the Balance 451 - definitely a fashion statement, reverse bows on Mojo, a 15 metre schionning that weighs four tonne less than the shorter Balance, definitely not an aesthetic/fashion statement its all about performance.

For most of us a plumb stem with compound inner curve - e.g. Seawind or a lightbulb shape - e.g. shuttleworth or a combination of the two, e.g. Pescott, is probably more appropriate, Reverse bow boats will ultimately be less resistant to pitchpoling, but that will happen a three and four times the speed , so it is manageable - just slow the boat down.

My point is, it is a fashion statement on some boats, not all. If a boat has a WLL to Displacement factor of 750 kg per metre or more, no point to them at all, between 500 kg and 750 - marginal,under 500 probably worth it (all rough rule of thumbs - YMMV, consult your own naval architect, seek your own informed advice - ALSO NOT A CRITICISM OF THE BALANCE - just using it as an example of where I think the reverse bow thing is more fashion than function. I like the Balance - well I liked the original Balance - the Montebello 12.5, I sailed one a fair distance and it was a better than reasonable boat)

**boatman61** · 07-03-2016, 17:03

There are Poseurs boats.. and there are sailors boats.. and never the twain shall meet..

tp12 · 07-03-2016, 17:05

Wow lots of comments on mine about reverse bows.

Most things operate in cycles. Reverse bows clearly have their roots steeped in history however as they've not been common in recent years the designs that have started using them again have a modern look. Obviously I wasn't looking at boats back in those destroyer days, I'm a mere 40 years old which makes me a whippet on this site...

Factor, I've read about everything there is to read on the Schionning site and had email conversations with a number of them in the office (Lorraine et al) so I'm aware of their other attributes. I was solely commenting, in the context of the rest of the thread being about the sexiest catamaran ever, on their aesthetic. You make some good points though.

Have I missed anyone

**boatman61** · 07-03-2016, 17:15

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Originally Posted by tp12

Wow lots of comments on mine about reverse bows.

Most things operate in cycles. Reverse bows clearly have their roots steeped in history however as they've not been common in recent years the designs that have started using them again have a modern look. Obviously I wasn't looking at boats back in those destroyer days, I'm a mere 40 years old which makes me a whippet on this site...

Factor, I've read about everything there is to read on the Schionning site and had email conversations with a number of them in the office (Lorraine et al) so I'm aware of their other attributes. I was solely commenting, in the context of the rest of the thread being about the sexiest catamaran ever, on their aesthetic. You make some good points though.

Have I missed anyone

Just one tip... if you plan on offshore.. pick your windows with caution.. there's a reason the Navies of the World abandoned those designs.. and never returned.

tp12 · 07-03-2016, 17:20

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Just one tip... if you plan on offshore.. pick your windows with caution.. there's a reason the Navies of the World abandoned those designs.. and never returned.

I'm no expert but from what I've read, and you can look at Factor's comments above for an indication, is that not all reverse bows are the same and that they need to be taken in context of other design considerations made for the boat they're on.

I'd be interested in what you think about that? I'm keen to learn.