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25-02-2017, 13:56
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#76
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Newfoundland
Boat: Beneteau
Posts: 671
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Re: The Reason People Are Moving Away From Monohulls
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Originally Posted by Andrew Grace
Interesting comment:
Initially I felt the same, however.
Media and the way we consume it has changed dramatically over the past decade, just look at all the reality TV garbage on pay TV.
Consumers have been turning away from traditional TV channels for a while now and are willing to pay a few dollars each month directly to original content providers. This is where content is heading, we are just in the process of moving houses etc at the moment and we will not bother having PayTV channel going forward. Just Internet.
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TV has never been different just indirect begging on a corporate level.
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25-02-2017, 13:59
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#77
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Newfoundland
Boat: Beneteau
Posts: 671
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Re: The Reason People Are Moving Away From Monohulls
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Originally Posted by sailingpzas
I refuse to do that.
Yes, I know that.... but still, they apparently can afford a million-dollar-vessel (you know, it's not only the purchase, its also the keeping), and someone with such a boat IMHO has no right to beg for cash. If I try to put myself on the other side: If I would own a million-dollar-boat, I would be ashamed to ask anyone for cash.
If you need to ask for money while at the same time owning such a boat, well then get a smaller boat. As simple as that. It just feels wrong.
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Anyway, perhaps it's also some jealousy that speaks out of me here, as I am still far from getting the money together for any reasonable boat to start life afloat. Perhaps I might never get my own. - Everybody keeps saying "just do it", but 1000$-bills don't grow on the trees where I live.
ok, I should shut up here. Don't want to hijack the thread.
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Oh come on. How many billionaires have companies that receive government subsidies under all kinds of pretense.
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25-02-2017, 14:01
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#78
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Europe
Posts: 27
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Re: The Reason People Are Moving Away From Monohulls
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Originally Posted by nortonscove
TV has never been different just indirect begging on a corporate level.
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TV is like essentially all media, only about one thing:
Bait for you to consume advertising. That's how they all make their money.
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Originally Posted by nortonscove
Oh come on. How many billionaires have companies that receive government subsidies under all kinds of pretense.
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That still does not make it right. But that's unfortunately how the world works.
The more of an a**hole you are, the more profit you can make. Especially at the top ends...
(Yes, exceptions exist, granted, but that is how economy in general works.)
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25-02-2017, 14:05
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#79
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Winter Germany, Summer Med
Boat: Lagoon 380 S2
Posts: 1,916
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Re: The Reason People Are Moving Away From Monohulls
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Originally Posted by KadeyKrogen38
Cats may be comfy, but damn are they ugly.
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so just buy a comfy cat and enjoy the look of your neighbor's classic wooden mono
i don't know if many monohullers are moving towards cats but i know that the buyers of my last two cats were experienced mono sailors.
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25-02-2017, 14:06
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#80
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2007
Boat: TRT 1200
Posts: 7,265
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Re: The Reason People Are Moving Away From Monohulls
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Originally Posted by Dave Humphreys
I am leery of a boat with an escape hatch on her bottom and twice as wide as a "normal" slip. Renting a cat on a lovely vacation cruise in the BVI is fine but owning one, nope!
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I'm Leary of a boat that requires lead attached to the bottom the keep from falling over 😜
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25-02-2017, 14:09
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#81
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: ashore in So Calif.
Boat: No more boat (my medical, not the boat's)
Posts: 1,453
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Re: The Reason People Are Moving Away From Monohulls
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Originally Posted by sailjumanji
On my cat, the knotmeter gives a pretty good reading of wind strength and direction. [emoji6]
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The angle at which a hull is above the water can be a fine indicator as well.
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25-02-2017, 14:20
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#82
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: ct
Boat: Sabre 34
Posts: 15
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Re: The Reason People Are Moving Away From Monohulls
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Originally Posted by sailingpzas
That is begging for money in the 21st century. I dunno, seeing someone with a 1Mio-Dollar-Boat begging for cash, this just looks wrong to me on so many levels.
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Amen too that.
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25-02-2017, 14:21
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#83
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: On board
Boat: Lagoon 380
Posts: 13
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Re: The Reason People Are Moving Away From Monohulls
Why are people moving away from monohull? I don't know if they are or not? As a former owner of a monohull, and being a lover of all boats, (power included) for us it was about comfort. Some years ago a good friend lent us their Lagoon 380S2 and we were in love. A year later she was ours.
Like all boats, every boat has their compromises. Cats don't point well, the motion is more of a 'seesaw motion', they are generally more expensive and harder to fit in marinas. However, my wife doesn't get sea sick anymore as our living area is not down below. There is more space, more comfort, more redundancy and list goes on.
However, what works for us may not for someone else. What I love about the sailing community is when all is said and done, we all love the ocean, sailing and the environment. The personal challenges, trials and tribulations. But above all, it's just great fun.
So, are people moving away from monohull? Who cares? As long as we're all out on the water; what a privileged life cruisers enjoy.
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25-02-2017, 14:27
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#84
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Port Aransas, Texas
Boat: 2019 Seawind 1160 Lite
Posts: 2,126
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Re: The Reason People Are Moving Away From Monohulls
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Originally Posted by buzzstar
The angle at which a hull is above the water can be a fine indicator as well.
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Yeah, I know it's not what you meant, but I used to race a trimaran, and when the center hull was skimming the water and exposing the dagger board, you knew you were making great speed. But also needed to give the monohulls we were lapping more room to avoid their masts during knock down. Key West Race Week.
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25-02-2017, 14:28
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#85
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Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Seville London Eastbourne
Posts: 13,406
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Re: The Reason People Are Moving Away From Monohulls
Oh you guys.
Stop it. Its a business making YouTube videos. A business. You get to see the product for FREE. If you FEEL like supporting them, you can join Patreon or send a donation, but its not begging.... you get the product in return, but you also get it if you dont pay!
Begging is something for nothing.
Now I dont support the erstwhile twosome simply because I have interests elsewhere. I also dont watch them frequently. HOwever I will not sit back and criticise them in any way for living a life that they chose, and also chose to share it via YOUTUBE whether people pay or not.
The FACT that others want to support the continued quality of videos and that they can finance a vessel from the proceeds is simply how the process worked out for them. It doesnt work out for others.
Begging? No.
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25-02-2017, 14:34
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#86
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Alpharetta ga
Boat: 2010 Leopard 38
Posts: 66
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The Reason People Are Moving Away From Monohulls
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Originally Posted by sailingpzas
That is begging for money in the 21st century. I dunno, seeing someone with a 1Mio-Dollar-Boat begging for cash, this just looks wrong to me on so many levels.
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I guess it is as much begging as the person who receives money for submitting articles to magazines, or writes books that ends up supporting their cruising lifestyle.
It is entertaining for many (100s of thousands apparently) and can be educational for some as well. I have read many books, articles where people began the story of the boat search and then their cruising adventures. I paid money for these publications just as people do for the "stories" these people are putting online in the form of a "movie" if you will.
If the video story isn't good enough, just like a book, it won't last. But as long as people are enjoying it, why shouldn't the people who create the entertainment be compensated for their time just as an author is?
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25-02-2017, 14:59
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#87
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Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 30,561
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Re: The Reason People Are Moving Away From Monohulls
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Originally Posted by RonRicco
I guess it is as much begging as the person who receives money for submitting articles to magazines, or writes books that ends up supporting their cruising lifestyle.
It is entertaining for many (100s of thousands apparently) and can be educational for some as well. I have read many books, articles where people began the story of the boat search and then their cruising adventures. I paid money for these publications just as people do for the "stories" these people are putting online in the form of a "movie" if you will.
If the video story isn't good enough, just like a book, it won't last. But as long as people are enjoying it, why shouldn't the people who create the entertainment be compensated for their time just as an author is?
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25-02-2017, 15:08
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#88
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Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 37
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Re: The Reason People Are Moving Away From Monohulls
I too am a lover of cats and have enjoyed many lovely cruises in the Carribean, but when it was time to finally buy our own boat (after years of research) we chose a Dufour 46 Grand Large. The hard chines really do prevent excessive healing and the cockpit is so spacious, we really didn't miss the cat cockpit space. Oddly enough, the one thing I was worried about was missing the cat and re-adjusting to a monohull. I don't miss it. The best feature is the cabins are more spacious too. I admit, I do miss being able to enter the salon a hundred times without climbing up and down the ladder though. I just feel the sailing was smoother, not too much heel, and no bouncy beach ball feel in rough seas. The only thing we haven't really adjusted to is the self tacking jib. It just doesn't sail down wind like we are used too. We also have a/c which makes steamy marinas bearable. After the first 10 day cruise, we couldn't be happier!
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25-02-2017, 15:14
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#89
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Nelson NZ; boat in Coffs Harbour
Boat: 45ft Ketch
Posts: 1,559
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Re: The Reason People Are Moving Away From Monohulls
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Originally Posted by weavis
I wonder what would outsell, a good 45 foot mono and a good 45 multi if both were priced at $150K... new.
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Dreamer
If both were priced at $150k they wouldn't be new.
If both priced $300k one might be good but the other a project boat.
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25-02-2017, 15:16
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#90
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Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Seville London Eastbourne
Posts: 13,406
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Re: The Reason People Are Moving Away From Monohulls
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Originally Posted by DumnMad
Dreamer
If both were priced at $150k they wouldn't be new.
If both priced $300k one might be good but the other a project boat.
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I know you didnt miss the principle in the question..
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