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Old 01-08-2013, 14:23   #16
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Just read on the thread on SA that the amateur catamaran which we have been hearing about, the Flyin Hawaiian, has disappeared from its mooring in SF bay. For those not in the know, this is a 65' monster, built by a chap called James 'Hot Rod' Lane, with the build quality of a garden shed. It left Loch Lomond marina a few days ago and has been anchored in the bay since.

Does anyone in the area know what's happened? Sightings? Debris field?
So if he's a xxxx...why do you care so much where he is? Another question that comes to mind. Have you built anything, or do you just get your jolly's off mocking someone else's projects? There are dreamers and there are doers. Dreamers are a dime a dozen. Need change?
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That will make a fine party boat in the delta. Shoal draft, run her right up into the toolies and party on.
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So if he's a Moron...why do you care so much where he is? Another question that comes to mind. Have you built anything, or do you just get your jolly's off mocking someone else's projects? There are dreamers and there are doers. Dreamers are a dime a dozen. Need change?
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Old 01-08-2013, 14:34   #19
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So if he's a Moron...why do you care so much where he is? Another question that comes to mind. Have you built anything, or do you just get your jolly's off mocking someone else's projects? There are dreamers and there are doers. Dreamers are a dime a dozen. Need change?
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Re: The Flyin Hawaiian is gone!

Absolutely it's schadenfreude - but I only indulge in it when the misfortune involves a 65' floating shed. And no, I haven't built a massive boat out of plywood and 2x4. I prefer to get on the water by more conventional means... I'll only start building when I have the means to do it properly! The saddest thing about the whole business is that with the money he's spent on the floating pighouse he could have bought a decent boat and be in Hawaii already...
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Re: The Flyin Hawaiian is gone!

I wonder if they have reserved a mooring in Hawaii. Shouldn't cost too much for double times 65 feet. Oh wait, the wait list is 10 years.
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Absolutely it's schadenfreude - but I only indulge in it when the misfortune involves a 65' floating shed. And no, I haven't built a massive boat out of plywood and 2x4. I prefer to get on the water by more conventional means... I'll only start building when I have the means to do it properly! The saddest thing about the whole business is that with the money he's spent on the floating pighouse he could have bought a decent boat and be in Hawaii already...
Please stop to consider that he might be perfectly happy with what he did...what he has...with his loving and supportive family.
Wait!...Group hug for europaflyer everyone!
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Re: The Flyin Hawaiian is gone!

It is the scale of it that makes it so interesting. Plenty of poorly made boats, just not so big. It might be too big for the delta.
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Absolutely it's schadenfreude - but I only indulge in it when the misfortune involves a 65' floating shed. And no, I haven't built a massive boat out of plywood and 2x4. I prefer to get on the water by more conventional means... I'll only start building when I have the means to do it properly! The saddest thing about the whole business is that with the money he's spent on the floating pighouse he could have bought a decent boat and be in Hawaii already...
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As long as he has a big red button he'll be fine.
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Re: The Flyin Hawaiian is gone!

It's just heartbreaking to see all that passion and all those hours poured into what is a fundamentally unsound design. The hulls are 1/2" CDX with only fiberglass tape at the seams. No sheathing at all, if I understand it correctly. That stuff will start seeping water through within months -- if it hasn't already. And that doesn't even begin to address the bigger structural problems, like how the hulls are attached, and whether they can withstand any twisting forces at all in a seaway.

I've built many small boats, and one sort-of-big one (31' monohull), and I know how it completely overwhelms your life and you pour all you have into it. If he had just paid for a set of Wharram plans, or bought a fixer-upper, he would be way ahead. Right now I think he faces the loss of all those hours, all that money, the death of the dream.
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Re: The Flyin Hawaiian is gone!

I've looked at that thread over at sailinganachronism and cringe, what a steaming brood of bloodlusting vultures
As a builder of a 35' ply/glass boat I gotta wonder what that Hotrod guy was thinking.. or maybe i wonder if people think my boat is another raw faith.. better not go there (in my defence I am following NA's boat plans).

Maybe as consolation, especially for any family of HR (and they will definately be reading this thread), it seems that sailingmalarky days are numbered..
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It's just heartbreaking to see all that passion and all those hours poured into what is a fundamentally unsound design. The hulls are 1/2" CDX with only fiberglass tape at the seams. No sheathing at all, if I understand it correctly. That stuff will start seeping water through within months -- if it hasn't already. And that doesn't even begin to address the bigger structural problems, like how the hulls are attached, and whether they can withstand any twisting forces at all in a seaway.

I've built many small boats, and one sort-of-big one (31' monohull), and I know how it completely overwhelms your life and you pour all you have into it. If he had just paid for a set of Wharram plans, or bought a fixer-upper, he would be way ahead. Right now I think he faces the loss of all those hours, all that money, the death of the dream.
I heard a line somewhere of "incompetence: when you truly believe you can make up for a lack of skill by doubling your efforts, there's no end to what you can't accomplish."
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I've looked at that thread over at sailinganachronism and cringe, what a steaming brood of bloodlusting vultures
As a builder of a 35' ply/glass boat I gotta wonder what that Hotrod guy was thinking.. or maybe i wonder if people think my boat is another raw faith.. better not go there (in my defence I am following NA's boat plans).

Maybe as consolation, especially for any family of HR (and they will definately be reading this thread), it seems that sailingmalarky days are numbered..
He definitely should have gone with a junk rigged schooner.
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He definitely should have gone with a junk rigged schooner.
Would solve the issues he is likely to have with his rig.
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