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smj · 12-08-2013, 05:24

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Originally Posted by europaflyer

Well, I think it would be fair to say that one way or the other Hot Rod has managed to bring out the worst in all of us

I think I'll leave the commenting here and on SA to others now, I've made my opinion clear...

Your kidding me. How has Hot Rod brought out the worst in all of us? From what I've seen he didn't join the conversation until a couple of days ago on SA.

fstbttms · 12-08-2013, 07:12

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Originally Posted by Palarran

Thank God most of us here on CF wouldn't view the FH thread on SA as "a good thread". I'll take heavy handed moderation every day if it prevents someone calling me a douchbag or worse.

OK then, let me rephrase; it's been an "entertaining" thread. But let's face it, SA isn't for everybody. If you are easily offended, don't go there. It's pretty simple. As far as heavy-handed moderation goes; many truly useful and enjoyable threads have been shut down on other forums (not naming names

) without anybody being called a name or anything derogatory or offensive being said. Just the hint that tempers may rise frequently seems to be enough. But thems the rules at those forums. Different strokes for different folks. It's all good and after all, it's only the internet folks. It's all about as real as TV is.

fstbttms · 12-08-2013, 07:16

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Originally Posted by smj

Your kidding me. How has Hot Rod brought out the worst in all of us? From what I've seen he didn't join the conversation until a couple of days ago on SA.

+1

Now we're blaming the victim? That poor guy has been receiving a ration over on SA for two years before he ever posted on SA.

**boatman61** · 12-08-2013, 07:17

TV's Not Real.....?? WHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh

Celestialsailor · 12-08-2013, 07:34

For me, it wasn't about whether the craft would make it to Hawaii or out the Gate. It was about effort and free spirit. My beef was with all the mocking that went on about what the vessel looked like. It was cruel and uncalled for. I would imagine it was from people here that have never attempted anything in their life.
In the 70's and 80's, I spent a lot of time in "build your own boat", boat yards. People set out and built all kinds of crafts. Some nice...some not so nice. A few built steel boats out of used boiler plate and the result was less than perfect

. But the rest of us, building, didn't get on a loud speaker mocking them for their attempts. Maybe a snicker or two between one another but generally encouragement because we all worked together and swapped ideas.
Of course that was 30 years ago and all those yards are out of business. I would imagine because of pencil-necks like the ones posting here. The Internet is a great tool in regards to involving a lot of people for quick communication. It has also been like a drug for some to be something they're not. To say things they would never see themselves saying to someone face to face. I have found myself guilty of that more than once.

europaflyer · 12-08-2013, 07:43

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Originally Posted by smj

Your kidding me. How has Hot Rod brought out the worst in all of us? From what I've seen he didn't join the conversation until a couple of days ago on SA.

Just saying, this whole thing seems to have turned everyone in to a load of squabbling schoolchildren, even before The Rod turned up - myself included.

TBH I'm beyond caring whether or not someone thinks that he's a hero for giving it a go, or whether anyone is bothered that I think he really, really isn't (and I'm sure no-one is!). I'm just going to sit back and watch how this whole thing ends.

Out (for real this time

)

Celestialsailor · 12-08-2013, 07:59

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Originally Posted by europaflyer

Just saying, this whole thing seems to have turned everyone in to a load of squabbling schoolchildren, even before The Rod turned up - myself included.

TBH I'm beyond caring whether or not someone thinks that he's a hero for giving it a go, or whether anyone is bothered that I think he really, really isn't (and I'm sure no-one is!). I'm just going to sit back and watch how this whole thing ends.

Out (for real this time

)

Hero? I don't think anyone put him on a pedestal like that. Just mild admiration of the human spirit. But polarize it as you will, he did more in a few years of building than most here do in a life time. But sure...sit back and watch and savor the guy's destruction. Please make sure you come back here to fantasyland and say 'I told you so'. That will get the rest of the vultures squacking from the branches of the dead oak tree.

AbaftAndBaffled · 12-08-2013, 08:11

His attitude really, really rubs me the wrong way. I've seen too many boats owned or repaired by his ilk that end up as essentially useless.

Our own boat was repaired by guys from the aerospace industry who had the same sort of mentality - if you can build a plane, why can't you build a boat? The boat had been grounded after getting loose of its mooring and had cracks going straight into the bilge. These guys slapped a layer of airplane cloth and a bit of gelcoat on it and called it a day. Everyone signed off on it and afterwards, nobody could figure out why the bilge kept filling up in minutes.

Indirectly, it might have ended up working in our favor because the boat was given to us and we fixed it, but these situations more often than not seem to end badly for boat owners.

Cormorant · 12-08-2013, 08:29

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Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

Hero? I don't think anyone put him on a pedestal like that. Just mild admiration of the human spirit. ...

I agree with that. I love to see people get the bug, and take on something monumental. I've had that fire burning in my head a few times, and built myself some nice boats that have taken me places (and all still float).

I just hate to see all that spirit, all that effort, squandered on a boat that will not last. Sure, there is incredible pleasure in building, and in finishing the thing. But after all that, he deserves to have a boat that will last and get used and bring him pleasure for years. I would be glad to be proven wrong, but I don't think it will. I wish for a happier ending.

IdoraKeeper · 12-08-2013, 09:14

The longer this goes on, the more I like Hot Rod....but then I am a child of the 60's. After all, I watched some guys flying a chute in 40kts broach and get knocked down three times right in front of me, all in good fun! How can I criticize when I was out there too? We didn't have any mishap and I bet those guys will respect the conditions more effectively in the future. If he stays in the Bay HR will learn. If the boat breaks he will have to clean up the mess. What's the big deal?

Palarran · 12-08-2013, 09:36

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Originally Posted by boatman61

TV's Not Real.....?? WHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh

Again you've made me crack up.

Fastbottoms,
I get it. I took my boat across the Atlantic last year, encountered a 72 hour gale, and worried she wouldn't make it. Without a doubt FW couldn't take the pounding. Maybe the guy will beef it up and get a few years enjoyment out of it before disaster hits. Maybe he will fade away and we'll never know what happened (doubtful). As I've gotten older the google mantra "don't be evil" has resounded more and more with me.

Celestialsailor · 12-08-2013, 09:58

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Originally Posted by Cormorant

I agree with that. I love to see people get the bug, and take on something monumental. I've had that fire burning in my head a few times, and built myself some nice boats that have taken me places (and all still float).

I just hate to see all that spirit, all that effort, squandered on a boat that will not last. Sure, there is incredible pleasure in building, and in finishing the thing. But after all that, he deserves to have a boat that will last and get used and bring him pleasure for years. I would be glad to be proven wrong, but I don't think it will. I wish for a happier ending.

He had commented about the joy of building with his son. So I imagine it was the journey...not the destination.

fjwiley1 · 12-08-2013, 10:13

This is truly a great Forum. So many different opinions yet everyone still respects each other. Thanks to the Moderators also for allowing this discussion to continue as long as it has.

CPseudonym · 12-08-2013, 10:15

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Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

He had commented about the joy of building with his son. So I imagine it was the journey...not the destination.

There it is in a nutshell. As I embark on my personal boat building endeavor with my sons that is our only objective. Shared experience of building something together.

Our building project will be of far more modest size than HR's but of remarkably similar method. 2 key differences being its designed by a NA and small enough to be built and tested out of reach of the prying eyes of the forum critics.

If it is a failure as a vessel it will make a great backyard play structure for small children. Either way my sons and I will be richer for pursuing our dreams rather than criticize those others who dare to try.