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Old 22-10-2015, 17:51   #91
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If you get the chance and visit Lima in Peru try and catch up with Giorgio Ballotta of Ballotta.

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Well not really, both walks were amazing.
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Actually it is a win /win. These refigerators are cheaper than the 'normal' style. It is what (I guess) people want that don't leave the dock. The same thing is happening on RV's. More all electric rigs, more residential style refrigerators. Less and less free roaming as the need to be plugged in increases.



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Actually it is a win /win. These refigerators are cheaper than the 'normal' style. It is what (I guess) people want that don't leave the dock. The same thing is happening on RV's. More all electric rigs, more residential style refrigerators. Less and less free roaming as the need to be plugged in increases.



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We toured this boat and thought the refrigerator was ridiculous.....stuck out like a sore thumb.

Other issues we didn't much care for, but wouldn't be surprised if this boat sold well.
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Old 25-10-2015, 05:52   #94
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A picture tells a thousand words, a few of come to mind for me, stupidly high boom to allow a sunbathing area on the roof since there are no tramps and nearly zero length of hull in front or behind the house...

You could apply year 7 science and talk about weight centralisation, centre of effort and how this design will behave in waves, let alone windage, blah, blah.

Why bother when you can just look at it. *Insert retching emoticon* !



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A picture tells a thousand words, a few of come to mind for me, stupidly high boom to allow a sunbathing area on the roof since there are no tramps and nearly zero length of hull in front or behind the house...

You could apply year 7 science and talk about weight centralisation, centre of effort and how this design will behave in waves, let alone windage, blah, blah.

Why bother when you can just look at it. Bleah !
Let me guess.......... you dont like it?

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Old 25-10-2015, 05:58   #96
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Let me guess.......... you dont like it?

I quite honestly can't even work out how anyone could like it, I would guess even the people who designed and built it (it's mother in a sense) have issues loving it.
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I quite honestly can't even work out how anyone could like it, I would guess even the people who designed and built it (it's mother in a sense) have issues loving it.
Well. Thats two of us then. Experimentation is fine but..........
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That is the fugliest cat I've ever seen by far. What were the designers on?

I just can't believe that boom height!
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I was curious as to where the chain locker was, apparently in one of the forward hulls.

Continuing with the picture tells, here is the bow from in front and above of the 4.5...


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Once you get past the sailing thing you have a nice comfortable and very economic motor cat.
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You will keep dry on the bow apparently.

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Once you get past the sailing thing you have a nice comfortable and very economic motor cat.
Exactly. The buyers of most of these cats would be better off with a power cat - more room, more power, electricity on demand. But then some say, well why not have all that in a boat that also satisfies the desire to sail. And the answer is because if there is a desire to sail, this is the wrong boat.

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You will keep dry on the bow apparently.

Those bows were not designed to keep the boat dry. They are to provide enough freeboard to jam in accomodations as far into the ends as possible. The windage on that cat, due to the freeboard and the rest of the structure, is another reason its not gonna sail well, in addition to sliding around in close quarters maneuvering and swinging at anchor. Best use is tied to a dock.
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Those bows were not designed to keep the boat dry. They are to provide enough freeboard to jam in accomodations as far into the ends as possible.
High freeboard in itself is not all bad. Yes, it increases windage, but its most beneficial aspect is permitting high bridgedeck clearance. Another of those compromise thingys. Large (tall and long) coach houses are another matter entirely. A calculation of the length and width of the coach house as a ratio with the overall foot print of a cat could provide a numerical "condo" quotient useful for boat comparisons.

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Given that probably the majority of the last few generations of "cruising cats", outweigh their lead keel toting bretheren by 1.5-2x or more... I mean, what else is possible?
Many owners of said "sailboats" already have a gianormous array of debaucherous toys onboard. Ones which, 99% of Americans will never even have in their own homes, so, yes, my question's rhetorical.

For me, the question posed by one owner of these monstrosities, which "jumped over the shark tank" for me; was her inquiring as to how best to get her Nordic Track, Eliptical, or some other silly thing onboard, & where to put it, so that she could get enough daily excercise.
Geez!

This with; 1001 boat chores to do - from sail trimming, to just attaching a jerry jug to a halyard, & hoisting it repeatedly (if you lack imagination, or run out of real boat work). Lots of room for all kinds of excercises on deck - all of the way from no impact, to high (Yoga, Tai Chi, Pilates, Calestenics, Circut Training...). Lots of things to use in lieu of dumbells & barbells. Dinghies to row, windsurfers to sail, snorkeling, swimming, & SCUBA. Or in it's most basic form, row ashore & go for a walk, or run.
Yeah, a list limited but by the mind. So apparently some people's are in Hannibal Lecter's level of restraints.

I couldn't begin to even conceptualize her mindset At All.
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I quite honestly can't even work out how anyone could like it, I would guess even the people who designed and built it (it's mother in a sense) have issues loving it.
In a way the design of the Bali makes perfect sense: Maximizes interior space, maximizes exterior space and it can sail and motor, even if in what regards sailing it would just be a tad worst than the other condo cats. That is boat is a superlative in what regards the condo concept that has been the direction that cat development has taken as a main one since many years ago.

If cats had taken has main design directive sailing performance the main cat market would be of boats like this one, not condocats that maximize interior space:

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