Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 01-07-2008, 14:05   #31
Senior Cruiser
 
schoonerdog's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2004
Location: annapolis
Boat: st francis 44 mk II catamaran
Posts: 1,174
Images: 4
The PDQ 44 and St Francis 44 have identical steering positions. Perhaps it was the hard bimini on the PDQ that made the difference? The St Francis Mk I did have a lot less clearance than the St Francis Mk II, and the Mk II has less clearance than the PDQ 44. The St Francis has less windage and less weight and is a faster boat, but again, it's a trade off. The PDQ 44 is a terrific boat, it's literally more than double the price of a St Francis, but it is an extremely luxurious interior and a very safe boat.
__________________

__________________
schoonerdog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2008, 14:07   #32
Registered User
 
Nordic cat's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Denmark
Boat: FP Tobago 35
Posts: 721
Cat with 3 helm positions

Take a look at my design here: New Bi-Rig Performance Cruiser


see post 57 for the reasonably updated renders.


3 steering positions, forward cockpit for good weather, aft cockpit for some situations and inside like on an Atlantic.

Note that the forward cockpit is much wider than on an Atlantic as I think those have too much of a monomaran feel, being longer than wider, so you have to worm tour way past people and the pedestal. NOt so in my design.

Regards

Alan
__________________

__________________
Nordic cat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2008, 02:35   #33
Registered User
 
freetime's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
Posts: 685
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nordic cat View Post
Take a look at my design here: New Bi-Rig Performance Cruiser


see post 57 for the reasonably updated renders.


3 steering positions, forward cockpit for good weather, aft cockpit for some situations and inside like on an Atlantic.

Note that the forward cockpit is much wider than on an Atlantic as I think those have too much of a monomaran feel, being longer than wider, so you have to worm tour way past people and the pedestal. NOt so in my design.

Regards

Alan
Very Nice...

How much $ for it?
__________________
freetime is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2008, 03:07   #34
Registered User
 
Nordic cat's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Denmark
Boat: FP Tobago 35
Posts: 721
Hejsan Freetime,

This is a design for "my dream boat" so no plans to market it. Building isn't started yet, so I can't tell you what it will cost me.

There have been several interested enquiries, so if she sails and handles as well as I hope, maybe I should consider selling plans, anyway let's see a real boat sailing before I start speculating...


Regards

Alan
__________________
Nordic cat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2008, 03:16   #35
Registered User
 
freetime's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
Posts: 685
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nordic cat View Post
Hejsan Freetime,

This is a design for "my dream boat" so no plans to market it. Building isn't started yet, so I can't tell you what it will cost me.

There have been several interested enquiries, so if she sails and handles as well as I hope, maybe I should consider selling plans, anyway let's see a real boat sailing before I start speculating...


Regards

Alan
Hej Nordic Cat,

Well done, you talked so much in details so it sounds like you should build it yourself. Build it! Or let a good company do it.... it looks so good.
__________________
freetime is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2008, 20:31   #36
cruiser
 
BigCat's Avatar

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Everett, Washington
Posts: 765
I like all the way aft and up high on the centerline. I first saw this on a passenger cat built by Gold Coast Yachts, and I am using this position on my BigCat project. You have great visibility and access for everything from this location-docking, the sails, everybody on deck, and the engine exhausts. These boats are used daily and docked several times a day-I think they arrived at this position because it is so practical. This location is the same height as the common 'just behind the deck house' position but farther aft and on the centerline. I have a big connector beam aft, and the helm sits on top of it.
__________________
BigCat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2008, 05:41   #37
Registered User
 
freetime's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
Posts: 685
Images: 2


Nautitech 40 2004 from yachtworld. I canīt say that i like this, or maybe the pic lies?
__________________
freetime is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2008, 06:43   #38
Marine Service Provider
 
Factor's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Brisbane Australia
Boat: Corsair Dash MKII
Posts: 4,084
For me the nautitech/catana style helm is great - on the bigger boats - e.g. on the nautitechs over 40 feet, the 40 ft you show above requires the helm seat to be moved to get around where as on the 44 ft you can walk behind it - makes all the difference.
__________________
Factor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2008, 07:12   #39
Eternal Member
 
imagine2frolic's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Las Brisas Panama AGAIN!
Boat: Simpson, Catamaran, 46ft. IMAGINE
Posts: 4,508
Images: 123
Our wheel is on the aft bulkhead just a foot to the right of the mast. I really like the idea of a forward cockpit. The fresh air, the visibility, and the feeling of a mono. We also have an autopilot we can steer from in the nav station with almost 360 visibility. It can be nice to get out of the wet, and cold sometimes.

As far as docking I back Imagine into most places with complete visibility. Even when coming alongside our pier I back her in. Once the stern line is on we turn in the bow. Approaching the dock with bows in I too also have a loss of sight for the port bow.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Gtown driver.JPG
Views:	95
Size:	336.1 KB
ID:	4522  
__________________
imagine2frolic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2008, 13:47   #40
Senior Cruiser
 
44'cruisingcat's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,454
Images: 69
Quote:
Originally Posted by freetime View Post


Nautitech 40 2004 from yachtworld. I canīt say that i like this, or maybe the pic lies?
I think I'd be a bit dubious about leaning back against that backrest....not keen on that set up at all.
__________________
44'cruisingcat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2008, 05:20   #41
Registered User
 
freetime's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
Posts: 685
Images: 2


Strange Steeringwheel on a Grainger! Old citroen?

But on a cruisingcatamaran...how big steeringwheel is best, you donīt need a very big steeringwheel as you need on a monohull, atleast if you have only one.

Saw some multitests and they reported that they wanted a bigger steeringwheel. But how big is Right for the feeling?
__________________
freetime is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2008, 07:04   #42
Registered User
 
Eleven's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Southampton UK
Boat: Jaguar 22 mono called Arfur.
Posts: 1,220
Images: 3
Why would you want a poser wheel. Big cats, most cats, have an hydraulic auto-helm with minimal feel. Set the heading you want and CRUISE.
Docking? Put a lever and a repeater somewhere handy near the throttles.
__________________
Ex Prout 31 Sailor, Now it's a 22ft Jaguar called 'Arfur' here in sunny Southampton, UK.
A few places left in Quayside Marina and Kemps Marina.
Eleven is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2008, 14:46   #43
Moderator Emeritus
 
David M's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: San Francisco Bay
Boat: research vessel
Posts: 10,150
Gunboat has the same steering position....but those are just slightly more expensive. I cant imagine wanting to sail a boat where I cannot easily see the sails. Maybe there are some in here who have?....does it bother you not to be able to see the sails? ..or to have to look backwards to see the mainsail? Thought I would ask since I have never sailed a boat where the sails were not readily visible.
__________________
David

Life begins where land ends.
David M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2008, 14:58   #44
Registered User
 
freetime's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
Posts: 685
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by David M View Post
Gunboat has the same steering position....but those are just slightly more expensive. I cant imagine wanting to sail a boat where I cannot easily see the sails. Maybe there are some in here who have?....does it bother you not to be able to see the sails? ..or to have to look backwards to see the mainsail? Thought I would ask since I have never sailed a boat where the sails were not readily visible.
Why not have a steeringpositon like Chris Whites catamarans, that should fit perfect on a Gunboat.
__________________
freetime is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2008, 15:06   #45
Moderator Emeritus
 
David M's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: San Francisco Bay
Boat: research vessel
Posts: 10,150
The first thing that comes to mind is how cold and and lonely it would be getting blasted with spray while steering from the foredeck while everyone else is aft staying out of the weather.

Perhaps put a wheel on each bow?...snorkel gear is cheap enough.
__________________

__________________
David

Life begins where land ends.
David M is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Multi vs multi poll Keegan Multihull Sailboats 14 09-05-2008 05:28



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:32.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.