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Old 12-01-2014, 16:01   #16
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Re: South African Cats Are the Best Blue Water Boats!

Dont get me started on Saffas - they seemingly all moved here to Perth after Nelson took over!

There was one leopard 46 owner who had sailed from ZA and who overwintered at the catana factory in france 4 years back. He was so convinced that his boat was the best he was constantly challenging catanas to races in the local bar, talking up his atlantic crossing as horrendously rough, saying how he regularly sailed past anything with sails etc.

Eventually a catana 431 skipper took him up on it for a case of french vs SA red wine. He took off his dink, dive gear, emptied his tanks, got extra crew etc while the catana went out fully loaded. As you would expect no contest.

Ive got some good saffa mates but they can be a bit one eyed to say the least.

and bring on the cricket, poms dealt with now lets have a crack at some real competition in the yarpies...
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Old 13-01-2014, 07:47   #17
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Most ZA cats are built for charter, hence the b/deck and weight issues. A very good friend makes his living delivering cats from CT to the Caribbean. His feedback is that most of the boats have various build/rigging issues that the delivery crew has to fix/deal with.
Most of those are built for the charter trade, have wider hulls not conducive to speed sailing. Condohulls is what I call them.

Narrower hulls - semi-displacement - daggerboards - those would include the Catana, Crowthers & DH. Those are built for speed and little if any slamming even in 2m seas. Being able to go upwind in 25kts of wind is important, unless you just want to motor all the way.
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Old 13-01-2014, 12:41   #18
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Please google cape 2 rio yacht race 2014. All SA cats still sailing minus one Australian design. Seriously though, it just shows how safe catamarans can be in the right hands. Nine monohulls had to retire due to damage, injuries and one fatality and only one cat had to retire because engine rooms flooded which eventually caused an electrical fire. Must say the Leopard 46 is kicking ass!

May the rest of the fleet continue and finish this race safely in fair winds. Condolences to the yachtsman's family and friends who lost his life while doing what we all love doing.
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Old 13-01-2014, 20:20   #19
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Must say the Leopard 46 is kicking ass!
The Leopard 46 is a fine boat. Definitely designed for cruising rather than racing.
IMHO it is one of Leopard's better boats.

It is however a Morrelli and Melvin (United States) design. Is it a "South African" boat?
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well somebody has to keep the french,aussies and kiwis from getting too far up themselves.....one of these days they might learn to play rugby as well.......
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Hey Sand Crab,
Those Zud Africaans know they aren't the only builders of good ocean going cruising catamarans, but they usually have a good sense of humour. Are you sure they weren't just having you on? They are good at keeping a straight face. Nearly as good as the English.
Heh... Im half South African and English/Irish. I dont believe my face has cracked since Mafeking. Hereditarily speaking of course.

Ive sailed a couple of S.A. Cats. I loved one and the other? not so much. It was design preference, not capability. I would have either as a seaworthy vessel. (No Im not saying which two)

Good value, solidly built and will take Blue water cruising in its stride. But then so will most 40 + cats.......

Im glad the S.A. Market is there because it will keep the French manufacturers on its toes....... quality is not keeping up like it should sometimes..
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However, ZA boerewors is indisputably the world's best sausage!

Yes, true, but they also do not sail to windward very well!
er.... um........ actually...........
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...bring on the cricket, poms dealt with now lets have a crack at some real competition in the yarpies...
Yes indeed and we know how that ended, don't we? Odd how there hasn't been much 'chat' about it from our SA chirpers...

Back to the vessels and happily for all of us, there are a lot of solid blue water boats out there. "Best" is a big (and, in our view, impossible) call though, especially when there is a very, very large degree of beauty-is-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder. Better, we suggest, to admire the strengths of ANY and every solid blue water vessel...and leave 'best' on the basis of each to their own...
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