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djeeke · 13-04-2009, 14:01

I am still looking ....

This 37' CSK / Polycon :

1974 CSK/Polynesian Concept Polycon sailboat for sale in California still might be a good deal for us.

Has anybody ever seen / sailed a CSK / Polycon ?

Obviously I would really need to figure out what still needs to be done on this boat to get it into shape (and figure out the respective $).

Anybody can suggest a good surveyor in California ? (through PM is fine if you prefer)

Sea Wolf · 13-04-2009, 14:12

Djeeke,
Have a boating friend in Laguna Beach, which isn't too far from Long Beach. I've just emailed him to see if he knows anything about the boat and asked if he might be interested in taking a look at it for you.

Loree
Aboard SeaWolf
CruisersLife.com

djeeke · 13-04-2009, 14:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Wolf

Have a boating friend in Laguna Beach, which isn't too far from Long Beach. I've just emailed him to see if he knows anything about the boat and asked if he might be interested in taking a look at it for you.

Thank you soooo much Loree !!!

Sea Wolf · 13-04-2009, 14:29

No problem. Billy is a multihull boater for many many years and is also a high end General Contractor so he's got lots of experience to pull on. If he's willing, you'll get a good evaluation.

Loree
Aboard SeaWolf
CruisersLife.com

djeeke · 20-04-2009, 04:10

The boat I mentioned previously is now listed click here on ebay
Starting bid 15.000

The owner likes a good salestalk, he mentions someone from Europe is interested in buying his boat !
(hmm I wonder who that would be

)...

Funny thing is he is not getting back to me with replies to my questions...

Go figure !

Anyway I have been pointed out by several people this boat would not be a good ocean traveler. Excellent coastal cruiser though... (or maybe it could be OK if one strengthened the hulls as he mentions)

With the correct replies to me and some feedback from a reputable surveyor on ocean capability I would not even made a lower offer than the 20k he was asking previously...

But since he's not interested in selling to me, and especially with all the feedback I got, I'm not pursuing on this boat...

A 37 ft listed for months at 20k and not sold... This also tells a story...

As some already know, I'm off again looking at smaller but proven ocean capable boats !!!

windhorze · 25-05-2009, 02:13

Djeeke-

If anything I "undersold" my boat out of concern of misrepresentation. The boat's new owners and personal surveyor state that they were surprised I let the boat go for what I did, and found it quite solid considering. They plan to sail it to Peru and flip it (I mean sell it) for profit.

As I believe I told you, I found it flexed too much for my comfort but I'm no surveyor, I just got spooked.

As far as that flying seat goes...it was a hoot, and a great position to steer from.

Good luck in your boat search-

Quote:

Originally Posted by djeeke

The boat I mentioned previously is now listed click here on ebay
Starting bid 15.000

The owner likes a good salestalk, he mentions someone from Europe is interested in buying his boat !
(hmm I wonder who that would be

)...

Funny thing is he is not getting back to me with replies to my questions...

Go figure !

Anyway I have been pointed out by several people this boat would not be a good ocean traveler. Excellent coastal cruiser though... (or maybe it could be OK if one strengthened the hulls as he mentions)

With the correct replies to me and some feedback from a reputable surveyor on ocean capability I would not even made a lower offer than the 20k he was asking previously...

But since he's not interested in selling to me, and especially with all the feedback I got, I'm not pursuing on this boat...

A 37 ft listed for months at 20k and not sold... This also tells a story...

As some already know, I'm off again looking at smaller but proven ocean capable boats !!!

djeeke · 25-05-2009, 03:54

I did see it being sold !

I think too it was a great deal but probably not the right choice for us, we want to do real extended sailing trips, even the polycon designers told me this boat would not be suitable for our purpose and who am I to contradict the people behind the drawing board...

Atlantic42 · 30-05-2009, 16:57

I know this comes from left field, but have you considered buying a boat in Florida? We have a PDQ 39 for sale that is ready to go (i.e. needs nothing to cross an ocean). We just sailed her 800nm + in the last week and many thousands of miles in the last six months cruising in the NW Caribbean. All of her systems were upgraded in 2008/2009. The boat is in your price range. See more at: www.PDQ36.blogspot.com We own two boats thus must sell one to keep the cruising kitty in the black.

Tropic Cat · 20-04-2009, 06:10

Wasn't this a response to the other thread???

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...34&postcount=1

I get confused easily on Monday Mornings..

djeeke · 20-04-2009, 13:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tropic Cat

I get confused easily on Monday Mornings..

Don't worry, that is my fault

I guess I'm very actively looking and as such have a lot of questions

I mentioned the CSK on ebay in this thread !

The other thread is about a modified Iroquois

djeeke · 24-04-2009, 06:06

Anybody got any idea's on Derek Kelsall designs ???

There is a 1993 Suncat 30 for sale in the UK very well within my budget, I sent the owner a request for information...

Will post any details if/when I get them !

So if anybody can comment on this design, please do

Southern Star · 24-04-2009, 08:37

Djeeke, Derek Kelsall developed a great reputation for designing performance trimarans and later moved into a wide range of catamarans. He pioneered the KSS (Kelsall Swiftbuild Sandwich) method of construction, where flat panels of GRP/foam core were built and then used in the overall construction of the boat. This particular model looks quite pretty and, again, his boats do tend to be decent performers. The real issue will likely be the quality of the construction and whether it was made by an amateur or a professional yard.

Brad

djeeke · 24-04-2009, 08:46

Thanks Brad !

Quote:

Originally Posted by Southern Star

whether it was made by an amateur or a professional yard.

That is one of the many questions I asked ...
Will keep this thread posted with the responses I get...

djeeke · 26-04-2009, 14:20

No news about the Suncat yet...

We are also considering Prout...

We do see several possible models (within and just over the edge of budget)

Quest 33CS
Snowgoose 34/35
Event 34

Any Prout sailors care to comment on these models?
Good/bad things ?
Things to watch out ?
Any model preferable over the other (and why) ?

Thanks for all feedback !!!

djeeke · 04-05-2009, 15:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by djeeke

Quest 33CS
Snowgoose 34/35
Event 34

Any Prout sailors care to comment on these models?
Good/bad things ?
Things to watch out ?
Any model preferable over the other (and why) ?

I did get some feedback regarding the Event stating :

Quote:

"Event 34:- A move on from the 33 with modified hull and new deck. More beam and new stern profile. Interior updated as can be expected from the newest of your list. Increased aft cabin size including full double berth. In performance term , in my opinion the aft cabin mods ruined the sailing performance of this boat. Increased build weight and reduced flow through hulls and nacelle which again was increased to improve internal space."

Someone here to acknowledge or contradict this

If this is true one is be better of choosing an older (and cheaper) Prout than the Event...

Thanks !!!

13-04-2009, 14:01	#1
djeeke Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belgium Boat: Jaguar 27 - Nothing else matters Posts: 94	back on topic I am still looking .... This 37' CSK / Polycon : 1974 CSK/Polynesian Concept Polycon sailboat for sale in California still might be a good deal for us. Has anybody ever seen / sailed a CSK / Polycon ? Obviously I would really need to figure out what still needs to be done on this boat to get it into shape (and figure out the respective $). Anybody can suggest a good surveyor in California ? (through PM is fine if you prefer) __________________ Nothing else matters 1987 Jaguar 27 Sailing around Dutch waters

20-04-2009, 04:10	#5
djeeke Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belgium Boat: Jaguar 27 - Nothing else matters Posts: 94	The boat I mentioned previously is now listed click here on ebay Starting bid 15.000 The owner likes a good salestalk, he mentions someone from Europe is interested in buying his boat ! (hmm I wonder who that would be )... Funny thing is he is not getting back to me with replies to my questions... Go figure ! Anyway I have been pointed out by several people this boat would not be a good ocean traveler. Excellent coastal cruiser though... (or maybe it could be OK if one strengthened the hulls as he mentions) With the correct replies to me and some feedback from a reputable surveyor on ocean capability I would not even made a lower offer than the 20k he was asking previously... But since he's not interested in selling to me, and especially with all the feedback I got, I'm not pursuing on this boat... A 37 ft listed for months at 20k and not sold... This also tells a story... As some already know, I'm off again looking at smaller but proven ocean capable boats !!! __________________ Nothing else matters 1987 Jaguar 27 Sailing around Dutch waters Last edited by djeeke; 20-04-2009 at 04:24. Reason: corrected ebay link

25-05-2009, 03:54	#7
djeeke Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belgium Boat: Jaguar 27 - Nothing else matters Posts: 94	I did see it being sold ! I think too it was a great deal but probably not the right choice for us, we want to do real extended sailing trips, even the polycon designers told me this boat would not be suitable for our purpose and who am I to contradict the people behind the drawing board... __________________ Nothing else matters 1987 Jaguar 27 Sailing around Dutch waters

20-04-2009, 06:10	#9
Tropic Cat Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne, FL Boat: Catalac Catamaran Posts: 1,792	Wasn't this a response to the other thread??? http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...34&postcount=1 I get confused easily on Monday Mornings.. __________________ Sailing 12 months a year in Sunny Florida Catalac Catamaran info site

24-04-2009, 06:06	#11
djeeke Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belgium Boat: Jaguar 27 - Nothing else matters Posts: 94	Derek Kelsall Anybody got any idea's on Derek Kelsall designs ??? There is a 1993 Suncat 30 for sale in the UK very well within my budget, I sent the owner a request for information... Will post any details if/when I get them ! So if anybody can comment on this design, please do __________________ Nothing else matters 1987 Jaguar 27 Sailing around Dutch waters

13-04-2009, 14:12	#2
Sea Wolf Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Living aboard in North Miami, Florida Boat: Prout, Quasar, 50' - Sea Wolf Posts: 98	Djeeke, Have a boating friend in Laguna Beach, which isn't too far from Long Beach. I've just emailed him to see if he knows anything about the boat and asked if he might be interested in taking a look at it for you. Loree Aboard SeaWolf CruisersLife.com

13-04-2009, 14:29	#4
Sea Wolf Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Living aboard in North Miami, Florida Boat: Prout, Quasar, 50' - Sea Wolf Posts: 98	No problem. Billy is a multihull boater for many many years and is also a high end General Contractor so he's got lots of experience to pull on. If he's willing, you'll get a good evaluation. Loree Aboard SeaWolf CruisersLife.com

30-05-2009, 16:57	#8
Atlantic42 Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Sailing around the world Boat: Chris White Atlantic 42 - LightSpeed Posts: 54	I know this comes from left field, but have you considered buying a boat in Florida? We have a PDQ 39 for sale that is ready to go (i.e. needs nothing to cross an ocean). We just sailed her 800nm + in the last week and many thousands of miles in the last six months cruising in the NW Caribbean. All of her systems were upgraded in 2008/2009. The boat is in your price range. See more at: www.PDQ36.blogspot.com We own two boats thus must sell one to keep the cruising kitty in the black.

24-04-2009, 08:37	#12
Southern Star Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Belleville, Ontario, Canada; Playa Zaragoza, Isla de Margarita Boat: 1994 Solaris Sunstream 40 'Estrella del Sur' Posts: 1,014	Djeeke, Derek Kelsall developed a great reputation for designing performance trimarans and later moved into a wide range of catamarans. He pioneered the KSS (Kelsall Swiftbuild Sandwich) method of construction, where flat panels of GRP/foam core were built and then used in the overall construction of the boat. This particular model looks quite pretty and, again, his boats do tend to be decent performers. The real issue will likely be the quality of the construction and whether it was made by an amateur or a professional yard. Brad

26-04-2009, 14:20	#14
djeeke Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belgium Boat: Jaguar 27 - Nothing else matters Posts: 94	Prout No news about the Suncat yet... We are also considering Prout... We do see several possible models (within and just over the edge of budget) Quest 33CS Snowgoose 34/35 Event 34 Any Prout sailors care to comment on these models? Good/bad things ? Things to watch out ? Any model preferable over the other (and why) ? Thanks for all feedback !!! __________________ Nothing else matters 1987 Jaguar 27 Sailing around Dutch waters

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