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Old 11-12-2015, 10:58   #31
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Re: small catamarans

Thanks to everyone who has posted so far lots of good info. So are the british cats capable of an upwind passage obviously not pointing as high but can it be done at a decent speed. If I had more money I would love a newer high bridgedeck wide beam cat but I cant so a small one that sails flat appeals to me but safety is always a concern.
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Old 11-12-2015, 11:02   #32
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If you really need to get upwind then motorsailing will work very well.

Going upwind is rarely nice so best avoided if possible
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Old 11-12-2015, 12:38   #34
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Here are a few pulled of Yachtworld.
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1988...a#.VmskEWK9KSM
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1986...9#.VmslBGK9KSM
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1997...s#.VmslSmK9KSM
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1985...s#.VmslbGK9KSM
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Ok so the boats for sale in europe am I opening a can of worms being that they will be wired for 220v 50hz and bringing it to the usa will I need to rewire or converter?
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Before getting TOO far into the naysayers who will sit there and tell you all the reasons it can't be done, you might contact John P. in the UK. He sailed a 36 ft. Woods catamaran across the Atlantic to the Caribbean, up here to visit us, and then back across the Atlantic in one season. Alone. His outboard packed up and he came from Luperon up here to Provo with no aux power whatsoever. Bought an outboard here. He anchored off the marina here and rowed ashore to meet us for a couple rum punches. Then rowed back and sailed to Bermuda, the Azores, and home. He does have some tales to tell.

Tell John a small cat is not blue water capable. Go ahead.

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Also consider a well built small Wharrram (watch out for rot issues). You could pick up one and still have a lot of that $80K left for the cruising kitty. Why waste it all on a boat when you could use it to extend your cruising. All costs get smaller with less LOA and fewer systems...time hanging out in foreign ports waiting on parts gets less too!

A friend of mine circumnavigated, and ran in the Jester Cup (transatlantic), on a Tiki 21.

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Ok so the boats for sale in europe am I opening a can of worms being that they will be wired for 220v 50hz and bringing it to the usa will I need to rewire or converter?
Many cats in this size will not have mains wiring permanently installed (e.g. the Commanche), just 12V. Weight considerations will probably preclude the permanent installation of mains appliances. I don't think small multihulls are really suitable for the "fully loaded" treatment, except for Catalacs and Bill O'Brien Oceanics.

All obviously IMHO.
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Ok so the boats for sale in europe am I opening a can of worms being that they will be wired for 220v 50hz and bringing it to the usa will I need to rewire or converter?
There won't be any wiring in place except maybe a small charger.
Plus if you circumnavigate .... The world isn't 110v!
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There won't be any wiring in place except maybe a small charger.
Plus if you circumnavigate .... The world isn't 110v!
There wont be any wiring? I get that for some of the boats but the prouts and a few others will have outlets and appliances right? I know most of the world is not 110v but when im in the states it is and 220v wired boat uses smaller wire than 110v. Its easier to use a converter on a 110v wired boat.
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With a budget of 80k USD you are limited to older relatively small cats. If 80k is the full budget including required upgrades for extended cruising your choices are really limited.

I don't think that small cats of the 80s or eartly 90s like the Maldives or a Catalac came with much more than a battery charger. Of course some previous owners have added some mkre wiring and appliances.
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Yep. I too think a Prout is a neat way to get into less expensive cat life. They seem to sail better than Catalacs. BTW I have recently seen a Catalac 9 asked at less than 15k, so I think Catalacs are the less expensive ones.

I think some older and smaller cats have actually very much thinking done in their liveaboard'ability - good layouts, comfy bunks, etc. Not bad boats at all given what they offer and the price.

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The Woods Sagitta is 30' !

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Yes, 30 ft. Thanks. A typo. I was amazed he did it over and back. It was his first transAtlantic and to do it in a boat that size, solo, really impressed me. Imagining 20 ft. following seas in a 30 ft. catamaran alone.. not daring to fall asleep even if the adrenaline would let you, well..I just have to admit I don't think I have the cojones.

Good thing I also don't have the inclination.
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Yes, 30 ft. Thanks. A typo. I was amazed he did it over and back. It was his first transAtlantic and to do it in a boat that size, solo, really impressed me. Imagining 20 ft. following seas in a 30 ft. catamaran alone.. not daring to fall asleep even if the adrenaline would let you, well..I just have to admit I don't think I have the cojones.

Good thing I also don't have the inclination.
Many multihulls around 30ft loa have crossed the Atlantic with families on board; a very overloaded Iroquois, for example, Rosie Swales and family in a 30ft Oceanic, which rounded Cape Horn, Pat Patterson in a 33ft Ocean Winds of his own design with a four person crew (he continued round the south of South America, though on the inside route, and I think circumnavigated), and, of course, James Wharram on the 23ft 6in Tangaroa with two amazing female companions. This was all some time ago when boats were much smaller.

Books are available documenting these voyages; "The Multihull Primer" by D H Clarke has a good listing and bibliography up to about 1978.

Most English boats of this era will not have mains wiring on board since there were very few marinas around.
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If your a budget cruiser 25m of cable with plug and multi socket for mains stuff.. saves lotsa time and money..😉
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