Sinking Cats - Page 3

jrb1978 · 13-07-2008, 07:40

Now if I had wanted everyone to know that I would have used it over here as well

- I need a break from the other 'me' and I want to try and work out in my head exactly what I want. I dont think I have ever really done that before.

Looking forward to watching, reading and learning.

imagine2frolic · 13-07-2008, 07:58

It's nice to be known as CIVILIZED......LOLOLOLOL, now back to that sinking feeling!

jrb1978 · 13-07-2008, 07:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by imagine2frolic

It's nice to be known as CIVILIZED...

You dont know the half of it.

Now if someone could show me the perfect boat....

Gludy · 13-07-2008, 08:04

Ok - what are your requirements for a boat - what does it reasonably have to do?

What size?
Performance under power?
Performance under sail?

I am totally new to cats myself but you really do have to give us a starting position - maybe on another thread...

imagine2frolic · 13-07-2008, 08:16

jrb,

Try going to clubcobra, and there you can meet some animals.....lololololol

big block vs. small block
red vs. black
real vs. replica
lololololololol

jrb1978 · 13-07-2008, 08:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gludy

I am totally new to cats myself but you really do have to give us a starting position - maybe on another thread...

Already have done here:

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ull-17198.html

Sorry for the thread drift...

Eleven · 16-07-2008, 16:00

Just a note on Titanic. She was designed with full height bulkheads that made her almost unsinkable. She was built with most bulkhead to half height making her unlikely to sink and cheaper. And she was a mono.

Gludy · 16-07-2008, 16:29

She was also designed with enough lifeboats for everyone but they were cut down despite the wishes of the designer...... the loss of lives is a big part of that history.

How may lives have been lost at sea by sailing cat sailors since 1990?

I wonder if anyone knows that and/or the sailing mono figure?

exfishnz · 16-07-2008, 18:33

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Originally Posted by Eleven

Just a note on Titanic.......

On a recent documentary I watched, the Titanic sunk due to poor quality of some rivets[1]. The collision on the side on the hull forced the rivets to pop & the steel plating to come unjoined.

Btw, I've yet to see a multi one of these (possibly because they don't upright themselves):
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[1] Rivets were sourced from many locations in the same period for the building of the Titanic & her sister ships.

Gludy · 16-07-2008, 18:39

I think the rivets and the fragility of the steel used were also other factors.

Like most accidents it was a combination of circumstances all put together but most circumstance the accident had to hurdle over may have been prevented if the commercial pressure had no been so intense.

Whimsical · 17-07-2008, 00:38

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Originally Posted by exfishnz

Btw, I've yet to see a multi one of these (possibly because they don't upright themselves):
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From the look of it if there isn't some serious wieght in the bottom the most stable position would be on it's side

Mike

exfishnz · 17-07-2008, 00:52

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Originally Posted by Whimsical

From the look of it if there isn't some serious wieght in the bottom the most stable position would be on it's side

Mike

You'll note its under power. I think they have air cooled(?) listers in 'em, so you're probably looking at around 300-350kg plus marine gear & fuel & whatever else is used for ballast.

44'cruisingcat · 17-07-2008, 01:33

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Originally Posted by exfishnz

Btw, I've yet to see a multi one of these (possibly because they don't upright themselves):

If you only see what you want to see, you can miss a lot.

Self righting too. Every cruise ship we saw in Alaska had around 50/50 twin hulled and monohull lifeboats. They used the multihulls in preference to the monohulls for tendering duties. When I asked why, they said "They're better boats"

exfishnz · 17-07-2008, 01:47

And how many sailing multi's are like that? With thin & close together hulls & large houses for extra buoyancy to help self-right? That almost looks like a wide mono but with two skinny hulls. What do you think the lwl to bwl ratio is?

44'cruisingcat · 17-07-2008, 02:07

It's a self righting multihulled lifeboat. You said you had never seen one. Well now you have.

I don't think I saw anyone claiming it was a sailboat.

13-07-2008, 08:16	#35
imagine2frolic Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: N.E. Florida Boat: Simpson, Catamaran, 46ft. IMAGINE Posts: 1,943 Images: 112	jrb, Try going to clubcobra, and there you can meet some animals.....lololololol big block vs. small block red vs. black real vs. replica lololololololol Attached Thumbnails

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Eleven Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Southampton UK Boat: A 31' Prout OWNER AT LAST. Posts: 283	Just a note on Titanic. She was designed with full height bulkheads that made her almost unsinkable. She was built with most bulkhead to half height making her unlikely to sink and cheaper. And she was a mono. __________________ Determined Nearly Sailor, Southampton UK.

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13-07-2008, 07:40	#31
jrb1978 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 15	Now if I had wanted everyone to know that I would have used it over here as well - I need a break from the other 'me' and I want to try and work out in my head exactly what I want. I dont think I have ever really done that before. Looking forward to watching, reading and learning.

13-07-2008, 07:58	#32
imagine2frolic Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: N.E. Florida Boat: Simpson, Catamaran, 46ft. IMAGINE Posts: 1,943 Images: 112	It's nice to be known as CIVILIZED......LOLOLOLOL, now back to that sinking feeling!

13-07-2008, 08:04	#34
Gludy Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Brecon, Wales Boat: St Francis 50 on order Posts: 269	Ok - what are your requirements for a boat - what does it reasonably have to do? What size? Performance under power? Performance under sail? I am totally new to cats myself but you really do have to give us a starting position - maybe on another thread...

16-07-2008, 16:29	#38
Gludy Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Brecon, Wales Boat: St Francis 50 on order Posts: 269	She was also designed with enough lifeboats for everyone but they were cut down despite the wishes of the designer...... the loss of lives is a big part of that history. How may lives have been lost at sea by sailing cat sailors since 1990? I wonder if anyone knows that and/or the sailing mono figure?

16-07-2008, 18:39	#40
Gludy Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Brecon, Wales Boat: St Francis 50 on order Posts: 269	I think the rivets and the fragility of the steel used were also other factors. Like most accidents it was a combination of circumstances all put together but most circumstance the accident had to hurdle over may have been prevented if the commercial pressure had no been so intense.

17-07-2008, 01:47	#44
exfishnz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Boat: Designing a global explorer (full keel & steel) Posts: 353	And how many sailing multi's are like that? With thin & close together hulls & large houses for extra buoyancy to help self-right? That almost looks like a wide mono but with two skinny hulls. What do you think the lwl to bwl ratio is?

17-07-2008, 02:07	#45
44'cruisingcat Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,507 Images: 32	It's a self righting multihulled lifeboat. You said you had never seen one. Well now you have. I don't think I saw anyone claiming it was a sailboat.