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Old 28-07-2019, 15:54   #1
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Seawind 1260 45 degree TWA?

In Sail Magazine's Jan 2019 review of the 1260, they state that during their test sail, they were able to go 7 knots SOG in a 15 knot TWS, at a 45 degree TWA (TRUE wind angle, not Apparent wing angle). If you do the math, that means that their AWA was about 31 degrees.

Any 1260 owners out there that can verify this kind of upwind performance - ie., being able to sail so close?

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Re: Seawind 1260 45 degree TWA?

That accords with my experience pn a number of 1250s, but only when the bottom is relatively clean
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Re: Seawind 1260 45 degree TWA?

Hımmmm.. I never sailed a Seawind but I know they are sailing well. However this seems to me too much.. I can do that or close to it with and Outremer 51 or Catana 47 that I've sailed, both with daggerboards. Even if you can, the speed would be significantly lower and you would give plenty of leeway.


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Re: Seawind 1260 45 degree TWA?

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In Sail Magazine's Jan 2019 review of the 1260, they state that during their test sail, they were able to go 7 knots SOG in a 15 knot TWS, at a 45 degree TWA (TRUE wind angle, not Apparent wing angle). If you do the math, that means that their AWA was about 31 degrees.



Any 1260 owners out there that can verify this kind of upwind performance - ie., being able to sail so close?



Thanks.


It has been a while since I sailed one, but the 1260 sailed high and fast.

The interior is a tad spartan- but she sailed!!
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Re: Seawind 1260 45 degree TWA?

7 knots in 15 true is a bit slow, so they were probably pointing higher than optimum for VMG.
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Re: Seawind 1260 45 degree TWA?

I have a 1260 in Charter in the Whitsundays in Australia. We raced in last years Hamilton Island race week and with charter sails we were still able to get pointing angles in the low 30 degrees. In light winds we surprised a couple of monos by coming up underneath them and forcing them to tack. Once the wind gets up there is a lot more leeway due to minikeels vs centreboards as Yeloya mentioned, and VMG is better if you bear away. We were also using the standard self tacking jib which points higher but is less powerful than the genoa carried by many Seawinds when racing.
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Re: Seawind 1260 45 degree TWA?

That means a Seawind 1160 ought to do even better because it has dagger boards? Can anyone verify?
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That means a Seawind 1160 ought to do even better because it has dagger boards? Can anyone verify?


Donít believe the 1160 has boards, maybe thinking of the 1190?
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Donít believe the 1160 has boards, maybe thinking of the 1190?
You are correct. I am mistaken. Maybe early versions had dagger boards.
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Donít believe the 1160 has boards, maybe thinking of the 1190?
It is the Seawind 1190 sport that has dagger boards not the 1160 lite.

Can anyone verify with first hand experience if the 1190 Sport can sail to weather as well as the OP says the Seawind 1260?
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Re: Seawind 1260 45 degree TWA?

We have a new Seawind 1160 Lite. We have performance sails, a square top main made of DP GPL Lite Skin. Just got back from spending a few months in Bahamas, crossing Gulf of Mexico on way back, etc. We set the autopilot on 32 deg AWA, which seems to be best VMG upwind. It'll pinch up to 25-28 deg AWA in flat water but we give up speed. Its a 7.5 to 8.5 knot boat, unless we have lots of wind or on a reach it'll go faster. Really moves well in light air. Joy to sail. No daggerboards.
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We have a new Seawind 1160 Lite. We have performance sails, a square top main made of DP GPL Lite Skin. Just got back from spending a few months in Bahamas, crossing Gulf of Mexico on way back, etc. We set the autopilot on 32 deg AWA, which seems to be best VMG upwind. It'll pinch up to 25-28 deg AWA in flat water but we give up speed. Its a 7.5 to 8.5 knot boat, unless we have lots of wind or on a reach it'll go faster. Really moves well in light air. Joy to sail. No daggerboards.
And tacking angle is around 95 deg. Less if pinching but not best VMG.
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Re: Seawind 1260 45 degree TWA?

My Catalina 30 monohull tacks thru 90 deg. The wind chicken is set at 60 deg included angle. I think that's pretty standard
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I have a 1260 in Charter in the Whitsundays in Australia. We raced in last years Hamilton Island race week and with charter sails we were still able to get pointing angles in the low 30 degrees. In light winds we surprised a couple of monos by coming up underneath them and forcing them to tack. Once the wind gets up there is a lot more leeway due to minikeels vs centreboards as Yeloya mentioned, and VMG is better if you bear away. We were also using the standard self tacking jib which points higher but is less powerful than the genoa carried by many Seawinds when racing.
But you did have excellent crew
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Re: Seawind 1260 45 degree TWA?

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It is the Seawind 1190 sport that has dagger boards not the 1160 lite.

Can anyone verify with first hand experience if the 1190 Sport can sail to weather as well as the OP says the Seawind 1260?
The 1190 will do better than the 1260, particularly in very light airs
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