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Old 02-05-2016, 20:56   #1
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Seawind 1190 Catamaran

Just Launched in Vietnam for test sailing prior to being loaded and shipped to the USA.

1/2 ton lighter, dagger boards, synthetic rig, lift up rudders. Carbon Targa bar

Looks like it also includes a wedding cake,
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Old 03-05-2016, 09:09   #2
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Re: Seawind 1190 Catamaran

Interesting boat. It promises to deliver performance due to its light weight but less than 90 square meters of working sail area.

Advertised as an "offshore cruising catamaran". With a displacement of only 6,000 kg and yet carryIng 1000 litres of tankage, the wedding cake would need to be very small!
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Old 04-05-2016, 05:06   #3
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I like monos and multis but that is not a good looking boat.
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Re: Seawind 1190 Catamaran

To each his own. Been on the deluxe and light variants. The sport goes further in the right direction. It's my top pick. Currently deciding whether to actually put an order in. It's of course not perfect, what is, but it has a lot going for it. Really want more details on the recent launch though.
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I think it looks good. What price range are they quoting for it?
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Re: Seawind 1190 Catamaran

389k usd sail away, ~460 as configured (watermaker, screecher, roller furler, electronics are the main items).
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Re: Seawind 1190 Catamaran

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Interesting boat. It promises to deliver performance due to its light weight but less than 90 square meters of working sail area.

Advertised as an "offshore cruising catamaran". With a displacement of only 6,000 kg and yet carryIng 1000 litres of tankage, the wedding cake would need to be very small!
A very good option.

You could easily use 1000 liters cruising in the equatoriql zone around Indonesia/Phillipines not being beholden to chase fuel in isolated villages.
For short term or close in cruising one does not have to fill tanks but great to have them available.
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A very good option.

You could easily use 1000 liters cruising in the equatoriql zone around Indonesia/Phillipines not being beholden to chase fuel in isolated villages.
For short term or close in cruising one does not have to fill tanks but great to have them available.
Yes, but......

Unfortunately, the tankage is made up of; 700 litres of water, 200 litres of petrol and 130 litres holding tank.

With 20 hp petrol outboards using approx 3 to 3.5 litres per hour fuel burn the boat has a motoring range of about 30 hours at 6 to 7 kts. This will push you about 200 nautical miles. Not very far in remote areas that regularly suffer "wind deficiency syndrome ", such as most of SE Asia and Australia's Kimberley region. By contrast, the two 40 hp Yanmar diesels in my Lagoon push it 650 NM . ( 400 litre tanks, 4 L/hr @ 6.5 knots ). Range can be extended in both cases by motoring on one engine, and in doing so the difference is amplified. I'm aware that "real cuisers" always sail and therefore buy "real sailing boats", however I live in the "real world". In this world it's not practical to wait weeks or months for wind.

The water tankage of the SW1190 is adequate but not excessive. I don't subscribe to the hard core motto of " keep the tanks empty to go faster, make water when you need to" , as I have been caught in places where the water is too polluted to reliably run the watermaker. Ruin your watermaker membrane by suckling in oil in such a remote location and life starts to get very interesting.

So the SW1190 promises to be fast. It will be fast if, and only if, its kept light. Can it be kept light and still be the "offshore cruising catamaran" that the advertising asserts?

Perhaps. It would depend where you plan to cruise and for how long. I can't see it being very useful for extended cruising to the areas being discussed. Its tankage, particularly fuel, is minimal. Can it carry extra fuel? Can it carry people, food, gear, tools, spares? Wedding cakes?

The boat's specifications state a "displacement" of 6,000kg. I'm assuming that this is maximum design displacement, although this is not clear. With approximately 1000kg being contributed just by filling the tanks alone, the SW1190 would seem very susceptible to being overloaded if it was intended to be used for offshore cruising. A small wedding cake and a very skinny bride?
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Re: Seawind 1190 Catamaran

Our ~ 6 tonne displacement boat manages around 2 nm per litre motoring on one Honda 20 at 5.5 - 6 knots.
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Still, 700 liters water seems excessive. You could convert 300 of that to fuel.
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Yes, but......

Unfortunately, the tankage is made up of; 700 litres of water, 200 litres of petrol and 130 litres holding tank.

With 20 hp petrol outboards using approx 3 to 3.5 litres per hour fuel burn the boat has a motoring range of about 30 hours at 6 to 7 kts. This will push you about 200 nautical miles. Not very far in remote areas that regularly suffer "wind deficiency syndrome ", such as most of SE Asia and Australia's Kimberley region. By contrast, the two 40 hp Yanmar diesels in my Lagoon push it 650 NM . ( 400 litre tanks, 4 L/hr @ 6.5 knots ). Range can be extended in both cases by motoring on one engine, and in doing so the difference is amplified. I'm aware that "real cuisers" always sail and therefore buy "real sailing boats", however I live in the "real world". In this world it's not practical to wait weeks or months for wind.

The water tankage of the SW1190 is adequate but not excessive. I don't subscribe to the hard core motto of " keep the tanks empty to go faster, make water when you need to" , as I have been caught in places where the water is too polluted to reliably run the watermaker. Ruin your watermaker membrane by suckling in oil in such a remote location and life starts to get very interesting.

So the SW1190 promises to be fast. It will be fast if, and only if, its kept light. Can it be kept light and still be the "offshore cruising catamaran" that the advertising asserts?

Perhaps. It would depend where you plan to cruise and for how long. I can't see it being very useful for extended cruising to the areas being discussed. Its tankage, particularly fuel, is minimal. Can it carry extra fuel? Can it carry people, food, gear, tools, spares? Wedding cakes?

The boat's specifications state a "displacement" of 6,000kg. I'm assuming that this is maximum design displacement, although this is not clear. With approximately 1000kg being contributed just by filling the tanks alone, the SW1190 would seem very susceptible to being overloaded if it was intended to be used for offshore cruising. A small wedding cake and a very skinny bride?
The 6,000 kg is referring to the base boat, no options added, electronics, water, fuel etc. Once you ad all the extra kit you are going to be more like 7500 kg.

Fully agree that the range options is limited compared to diesels, , the 1190 has the same Hondas as our 1160 so you are only going to get around 30 hours of motoring when using both engines. If you want to extend the range to around 50 to 60 hours then just single engine operation at a slower pace is also an option. One engine works fine under autopilot but I found that hand steering (no sail) on one engine was pretty hard to keep a straight course for extended periods of time. However we had no issues sailing 700 Nautical miles from Vietnam and another 1160 is almost now near Fiji after departing Vietnam a month of so ago.


I disagree about the Petrol comments in regards to South East Asia, petrol is by far the most readily available fuel all throughout the region, diesel can sometimes be harder to come by and actually in some places requires a special permit to purchase. The past few weeks we were at some of the remotest parts of Anambas and could have easily purchased petrol locally if urgently required.
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Our ~ 6 tonne displacement boat manages around 2 nm per litre motoring on one Honda 20 at 5.5 - 6 knots.
That's quite good, 6 tonne light or actual loaded disp?

My plan for the 1190 was to carry a ~30 gal fuel bladder (so not too large) and/or ~6 5gal jerry cans (3 per side, secured to life lines). 500 miles range is my desired minimum for a passage, I'm not too concerned while actually cruising, and at least for the next 10 years I'll be jumping between work locations as opposed to really being off, so it will still be mostly coastal/day with passages every ~2 years.

I'm also having small diesel tankage fitted for hydronic heating, as my permanent locations are all north of the eq.

The outboards do have an interesting impact on the boat. I think overall it's good though. The 1160 lite seems to perform quite well, though I do wish there was more data on it. There's nothing on the 1190 so far, except for an offhand comment in their youtube sales training video "maybe a knot or 2 more" presumably over the 1160 lite.
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We're around 6 tonnes loaded. We carry 200 litres of fuel in tanks, and 100 litres in jerrycans, stored in lockers, which serves for dinghy fuel or reserves for the boat's engines.


It's always been enough for us.
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Still, 700 liters water seems excessive. You could convert 300 of that to fuel.
I agree, as long as there's a watermaker fitted.
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Still, 700 liters water seems excessive. You could convert 300 of that to fuel.
I asked about doing just that (reduce water tankage, add more gas), they were hesitant to put gasoline inside the boat. I'm not actually clear if that was from my dealer or seawind directly (too many conversations to remember), I probably could have pressed it more... I dropped it since it was an infrequent need, at least for my plans.
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