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Old 28-01-2014, 00:52   #46
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Re: Sailor Rescued from Condor Trimaran in Texas

Upwind with the load off it just flakes itself into the lazy jacks/sailbag.

Off the wind, with the sail loaded, it's not so easy. We do it for reefing by keeping some tension on the leech with the reefing lines as we lower it. There are two challenges if the sail is loaded - the battens bending forwards around the shrouds, and the sideways load on the batten cars causing them to not slide. Both can be addressed by keeping the leech of the sail tight and bringing the boom towards the center line.
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Thanks for the tip..
I mean, does it really matter what dog (or cat ) you think is better?
Only to those sailing dogs who would secretly like a cat.
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Old 28-01-2014, 10:46   #48
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No idea and probably not qualified to ask the question, but in this case with the windward ama so severely compromised, could the full main and loose jib be moving the CE aft and raising the windward ama, so keeping the tri from listing further or capsizing?
That's my take as well.
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Old 29-01-2014, 04:53   #49
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Re: Sailor Rescued from Condor Trimaran in Texas

As a member of the build team at Condor, I can tell you that these boats were not designed to have hatches in their ama [outer hull]
decks. We did not build them with ama hatches and strongly discouraged the installation of them by owners. Those who installed them often blew out the hatch covers and had down-flooding problems.
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Old 29-01-2014, 05:53   #50
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Thanks for the tip..

I have to admit... it always seems a bit odd to me.. these debates (mono vs multi or which catamaran is better). Its about as ridiculous as arguing over what's better.... a golden retriever, or a pekingese?! I mean, does it really matter what dog (or cat ) you think is better?
Golden Retriever. Hands down. Only losers own Pekingese.
Sheesh (getting a feel for it now?)
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Old 29-01-2014, 06:08   #51
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Re: Sailor Rescued from Condor Trimaran in Texas

S if there were no hatches? Just some vents and then a bilge pump hose to the hulls? Perhaps if a small crack deteloped, there was no way to get the water out?

Anyway, no doubt it's still floating out there somewhere. Stop by and have a look at my cat Scott, when you have a chance.

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We installed inspection ports for each of the watertight compartments in the amas , as well as the collision compartment of the main hull's bow for de-watering them. Hull#10, the boat that was actually built for the single-handed trans-Atlantic race [1988 C-Star], was struck by a freighter 300-400 miles from Plymouth, enroute to the start, and lost 2ft of her main bow and 6ft of an ama bow. She sailed the rest of the way in and was repaired prior to the race by our team. Pics of the Texas boat show hatches violating the watertight integrity of 2 of these compartments in each ama. The boat should not sink under this condition. I would love to have her coordinates !
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Re: Sailor Rescued from Condor Trimaran in Texas

Is that an open hatch on the port ama? Check about 20 seconds into this vid from post #1.
http://www.dvidshub.net/video/320222...r#.UukULfRDs5q
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Is that an open hatch on the port ama? Check about 20 seconds into this vid from post #1.
DVIDS - Video - Coast Guard Rescues Man From Sailboat Beset by Weather
It is indeed an open hatch ! Bad enough they were installed , downright ______ the boat was sailed in any seas with them open !
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Could he be trying to counterbalance the sinking side?
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Golden Retriever. Hands down. Only losers own Pekingese.
Sheesh (getting a feel for it now?)

Hey we've got a Pug Pekingese mix that is useless on the boat, hates the water, over heats in anything over 80 degrees, screams if you leave him down below by himself, is a horrible guard dog, ....wait what was my point......oh yea he loves people though and makes my kid happy,

but I will concede that if he hadn't approached us at the rescue and pretty much tried to leave with us I never would have thought of getting one.
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Hey we've got a Pug Pekingese mix that is useless on the boat, hates the water, over heats in anything over 80 degrees, screams if you leave him down below by himself, is a horrible guard dog, ....wait what was my point......oh yea he loves people though and makes my kid happy,

but I will concede that if he hadn't approached us at the rescue and pretty much tried to leave with us I never would have thought of getting one.
Nothing like keeping a thread "on topic"! The floatation of one AMA is 160% of the total displacement of the vessel . The hatches compromise the midship and afte compartments of the AMA . From the forward crossbeam to the bow should not be affected by the downflooding . Simply taking down sail should be enough to stay upright and afloat , even in 11' seas. With only one compartment intact, the remaining floatation should still be close to 50% of the total displacement ,just in the submerged AMA .
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Re: Sailor Rescued from Condor Trimaran in Texas

I am currently sailing my Condor 40 hull #3 down the east coast, I am holed up in Beaufort NC where we have several inches of snow and ice. It is easy to speculate on the Condor, but I know he is living it, will have his own story to tell and probably needs a underwear change. Our weather has changed and caution is the best tool in your ditty bag. Happy sailing! Stephen
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Have a safe journey multihuler!
Xs, that dog is adorable
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Its impossible for most trimarans to sink, most of the have bulk heads in the amma's usually sealed in thirds.
Im just curious why would someone abandon a large sailboat before its even close to sinking (clearly the main hull and other amma are in fair condition) then just jumping into a 10 foot dinghy which isn't close to being a seaworthy boat.
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