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11-03-2015, 12:10
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#286
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Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Barcelona, Spain
Boat: St Francis 48Turbo
Posts: 534
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Re: Saba 50 vs Antares
Well we have returned from France where we looked around a Helia, Saba and even saw the Ipanema 58 being built. Having read through the comments, it seems opinion here is that we may well struggle with the Saba (The Ipanema DID seem too big)... but the Helia also seemed a little cramped.
We also (I think its noteworthy) went round and looked around a Nautitech 542. I must admit to feeling that it wasn't too big and was quite sold with the two helms. The layout was almost perfect for us (we want 3 cabins with ensuites) and had enough space for the wife's clothes!! But, and call me naïve or a stickler but, I couldn't quite get my head around 3 things that made me think Antares may be better. It came down to sail-drives, cable steering and no skegs on the rudders... I just see these as a potential maintenance headache (let alone weaker).
I need to see an Antares.. its just a shame so few are in Europe.
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11-03-2015, 12:19
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#287
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Wolverine Country
Boat: Lagoon 42
Posts: 325
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Re: Saba 50 vs Antares
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Originally Posted by Heath68
Well we have returned from France where we looked around a Helia, Saba and even saw the Ipanema 58 being built. Having read through the comments, it seems opinion here is that we may well struggle with the Saba (The Ipanema DID seem too big)... but the Helia also seemed a little cramped.
We also (I think its noteworthy) went round and looked around a Nautitech 542. I must admit to feeling that it wasn't too big and was quite sold with the two helms. The layout was almost perfect for us (we want 3 cabins with ensuites) and had enough space for the wife's clothes!! But, and call me naïve or a stickler but, I couldn't quite get my head around 3 things that made me think Antares may be better. It came down to sail-drives, cable steering and no skegs on the rudders... I just see these as a potential maintenance headache (let alone weaker).
I need to see an Antares.. its just a shame so few are in Europe.
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I know this has been discussed before, but you may also want to check this new thread (see below) for info on the new modifications to the St Francis. I think it is cheaper than the Antares but much more boat :-). If they get a more modern interior design, the St Francis would climb quickly to the top of my wish list
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...er-141906.html
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11-03-2015, 15:26
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#288
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: on board, Australia
Boat: 11meter Power catamaran
Posts: 3,648
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Re: Saba 50 vs Antares
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Originally Posted by Heath68
Well we have returned from France where we looked around a Helia, Saba and even saw the Ipanema 58 being built. Having read through the comments, it seems opinion here is that we may well struggle with the Saba (The Ipanema DID seem too big)... but the Helia also seemed a little cramped.
We also (I think its noteworthy) went round and looked around a Nautitech 542. I must admit to feeling that it wasn't too big and was quite sold with the two helms. The layout was almost perfect for us (we want 3 cabins with ensuites) and had enough space for the wife's clothes!! But, and call me naïve or a stickler but, I couldn't quite get my head around 3 things that made me think Antares may be better. It came down to sail-drives, cable steering and no skegs on the rudders... I just see these as a potential maintenance headache (let alone weaker).
I need to see an Antares.. its just a shame so few are in Europe.
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If you felt the Helia seemed cramped I suspect you will see the Antares as tiny.
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11-03-2015, 18:03
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#289
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 57
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Re: Saba 50 vs Antares
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Originally Posted by Heath68
Well we have returned from France where we looked around a Helia, Saba and even saw the Ipanema 58 being built. Having read through the comments, it seems opinion here is that we may well struggle with the Saba (The Ipanema DID seem too big)... but the Helia also seemed a little cramped.
We also (I think its noteworthy) went round and looked around a Nautitech 542. I must admit to feeling that it wasn't too big and was quite sold with the two helms. The layout was almost perfect for us (we want 3 cabins with ensuites) and had enough space for the wife's clothes!! But, and call me naïve or a stickler but, I couldn't quite get my head around 3 things that made me think Antares may be better. It came down to sail-drives, cable steering and no skegs on the rudders... I just see these as a potential maintenance headache (let alone weaker).
I need to see an Antares.. its just a shame so few are in Europe.
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If you have not done so already...Check out Ted Clements blog on LiveAntares.com
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11-03-2015, 23:55
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#290
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Barcelona, Spain
Boat: St Francis 48Turbo
Posts: 534
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Re: Saba 50 vs Antares
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Originally Posted by RichinBoca
If you have not done so already...Check out Ted Clements blog on LiveAntares.com
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Thanks. To be honest I've read it a few times and thats what's causing the angst. I appreciate that he has a motive for his view but a lot of what he says makes perfect sense in terms of safety, low maintenance and living aboard. I don't like the position of the heads in the Antares as there are only 2 for 3 cabins nor the 95db quoted noise levels of the engines (yet to have that one seconded) and I don't think it looks too dated. Sight unseen its definitely up there but it may be too small. I've been nudging towards a 50
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12-03-2015, 18:31
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#291
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Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 57
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Re: Saba 50 vs Antares
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Originally Posted by Heath68
Thanks. To be honest I've read it a few times and thats what's causing the angst. I appreciate that he has a motive for his view but a lot of what he says makes perfect sense in terms of safety, low maintenance and living aboard. I don't like the position of the heads in the Antares as there are only 2 for 3 cabins nor the 95db quoted noise levels of the engines (yet to have that one seconded) and I don't think it looks too dated. Sight unseen its definitely up there but it may be too small. I've been nudging towards a 50
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I understand. I have never heard of a single complaint about engine noise other than the one you referred to. I just love the helm position, shaft drives, mechanical steering vs. hydraulic and the skegged rudders etc. you've read it all.
As far as looks... It's all a matter of taste.... But I like it a lot!
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13-03-2015, 14:16
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#292
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Barcelona, Spain
Boat: St Francis 48Turbo
Posts: 534
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Re: Saba 50 vs Antares
I'm too new to have really formed an opinion on looks. There's only a few I've thought I don't like. Yes some have bigger windows or look more akin to a traditional single hull in terms of style but to me thats about it.
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23-03-2015, 14:00
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#293
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Gig Harbor, WA
Boat: 34' Crowther tri sold 16' Kayak now
Posts: 5,067
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Re: Saba 50 vs Antares
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24-03-2015, 04:59
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#294
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Barcelona, Spain
Boat: St Francis 48Turbo
Posts: 534
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Re: Saba 50 vs Antares
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Originally Posted by Sand crab
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Wow thanks for that.... they are pricey though.. at $925k that's only $75 below new (but I suppose its a sail-away price as opposed to a 18month wait)
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24-03-2015, 16:10
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#295
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Gig Harbor, WA
Boat: 34' Crowther tri sold 16' Kayak now
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Re: Saba 50 vs Antares
I just got an email from Sail Away Catamarans. They have a 2007 A44 for $690,000 in Virginia. I checked the website and it's not on there yet. I wonder how long this one will last?
Sail Away Catamarans | Catamaran Sales, Charters & Instruction
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24-03-2015, 17:48
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#296
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: California
Boat: St Francis 50
Posts: 284
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Re: Saba 50 vs Antares
Sand Crab,
That's strange the picture shows Samuri which is in New Zealand .
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24-03-2015, 17:59
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#297
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: California
Boat: St Francis 50
Posts: 284
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Re: Saba 50 vs Antares
Sand Crab,
I looked into the add some more, it is Samuri which has been under offer for about three weeks in New Zealand for $707k - I think this is a general MLS reposting and likely out of date unless the sale fell through.
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24-03-2015, 19:29
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#298
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Boat: TRT 1200
Posts: 7,268
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Re: Saba 50 vs Antares
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Originally Posted by Sand crab
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Old Tommy Smith is still at it I guess.
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24-03-2015, 19:45
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#299
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Singapore
Posts: 47
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Re: Saba 50 vs Antares
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Originally Posted by Heath68
Wow thanks for that.... they are pricey though.. at $925k that's only $75 below new (but I suppose its a sail-away price as opposed to a 18month wait)
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BTW - Out the door new boats and recent model used boats are typically much more than "new price." Depending on what features are standard you often end up +50% of new price after adding pretty basic options.
My understanding is the Antares is fairly well equipped at base, but for most production cats add $$ to the new price to get actual sail away price. Get the FP dealer to give you an options price list.
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24-03-2015, 20:25
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#300
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Gig Harbor, WA
Boat: 34' Crowther tri sold 16' Kayak now
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Re: Saba 50 vs Antares
There is some confusion here. The CL is Bella Luna, the Sail Away boat is Cinderella. These are not the one in YW.
Sail Away says they are working on pics and specs for this just listed boat:
2007 Antares 44i
Asking 690,000
Cinderella is available for immediate purchase.
Lying on the Chesapeake Bay, Virginia
Cinderella is in excellent condition - loaded with options - New in-boom Leisure Furl system with carbon fiber mast which is ICW friendly. Call for details
Cinderellas Pictures - complete inventory - cruising history will be available soon. The Seller is available to speak with during the buying process.
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