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Old 26-02-2015, 08:19   #256
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So using 1/2 tank of gas on a delivery from South Africa to Miami equates to substantial motoring?
Who said substantial? I said "quite a bit", which for me 1/2 my fuel capacity would certainly be motoring quite a bit. Not having a gen set, I didn't think of that consumption.

So, OK - averaged over 200nm/day from SA to Miami (over 7000 miles) sailing in a SF 50? Sorry, I just don't believe it. I'd be doubtful of a Gunboat doing that. The biggest factor in any boat making fast passage times is the weather and it seems incredibly implausible to me that you'd have ideal conditions over 7000 miles. You've at least got a big swath through the ITCZ on that route where there's typically little wind.

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Who said substantial? I said "quite a bit", which for me 1/2 my fuel capacity would certainly be motoring quite a bit. Not having a gen set, I didn't think of that consumption.

So, OK - averaged over 200nm/day from SA to Miami (over 7000 miles) sailing in a SF 50? Sorry, I just don't believe it. I'd be doubtful of a Gunboat doing that. The biggest factor in any boat making fast passage times is the weather and it seems incredibly implausible to me that you'd have ideal conditions over 7000 miles. You've at least got a big swath through the ITCZ on that route where there's typically little wind.

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No worries. I didn't believe it either. It's helpful for me to hear (in this thread) that another owner reported the same speeds, and it really helped for me to do a 260nm run in 27 hours to see it for myself. It's a swift boat, not loaded down. It remains to be seen what it does once my better half gets a hold of it!

Cheers. Sorry again for the derail. Back to Saba/Antares, I hope.
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Old 26-02-2015, 08:42   #258
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Who said substantial? I said "quite a bit",
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Sorry, your right, there's a big difference between "substantial" and "quite a bit".

I do agree that the average sounds pretty high. Is it possible though? I think yes. Every once in a while the blind squirrel finds a nut and delivery crews have perfect runs.

Hugh, Welcome to the forum BTW. Would really like to see your plans on the build if you have interest in sharing.
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Old 26-02-2015, 09:04   #259
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Sorry, your right, there's a big difference between "substantial" and "quite a bit".

I do agree that the average sounds pretty high. Is it possible though? I think yes. Every once in a while the blind squirrel finds a nut and delivery crews have perfect runs.

Hugh, Welcome to the forum BTW. Would really like to see your plans on the build if you have interest in sharing.
Thanks. I appreciate that. I've got a blog that I'm squaring away right now. I'm checking with the builder to make sure it's okay for me to post pics from the layup and some design schematics before I share the link. Once I have the go-ahead, I'll start a thread here and share the link to the blog.

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Hugh, I'd really like to see the infusion process. Maybe in time lapse? There are several vids on YouTube on this process with different boats of course and they are really cool.
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Old 26-02-2015, 09:58   #261
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Sorry, I just don't believe it.
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Dave, I am sorry too, but I am not interested at all whether you believe it or not. I tend to believe what people says untill they are proven wrong..

I'll give to you another clue if you like, I sailed from Pilos Greece to Siracusa Sicilly (320 nm) in less than 36 hours with my Orana in November 2011 with the 35-38, gusting 40 kts of true from 60-65 degrees (AWA 40-45 degrees). That makes an average of 8,33 kts and the wind was much weaker as we approached Siracusa, most of the route we had 3 reefs on the main and tiny piece of genny we were doing over 9 kts, occasionally double digit up against the steep and short waves of the Med. It wasn't confortable at all, at one point I tought the boat would break in two.. But we did it; would you believe it ?? And we know that yr boat and St Francis is (significantly ) faster than Orana..

Hugh, I support David's (Palarran) views, I am too interested in this boat and would love to get some more info, price, lead times, etc.. either on this or a new thread..

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And Hugh, congratulations on your purchase. Please understand that my questions concerning the reported average speed of the delivery were in no way intended to undermine your choice of an SF50 - I too quite like the boat!

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Old 26-02-2015, 10:55   #263
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I'll give to you another clue if you like, I sailed from Pilos Greece to Siracusa Sicilly (320 nm) in less than 36 hours with my Orana in November 2011 with the 35-38, gusting 40 kts of true from 60-65 degrees (AWA 40-45 degrees). That makes an average of 8,33 kts and the wind was much weaker as we approached Siracusa, most of the route we had 3 reefs on the main and tiny piece of genny we were doing over 9 kts, occasionally double digit up against the steep and short waves of the Med. It wasn't confortable at all, at one point I tought the boat would break in two.. But we did it; would you believe it ??
Yes, I do believe it. You were not doing that day after day after day making a 7000nm passage. That's an entirely different scenario.

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And Hugh, congratulations on your purchase. Please understand that my questions concerning the reported average speed of the delivery were in no way intended to undermine your choice of an SF50 - I too quite like the boat!

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Thanks! Really appreciate it. A post I made earlier just went up; it's on the previous page if you want more info about the boat speeds and wind conditions I saw on our passage. There's also the only video I took that has the chart plotter in it.

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Thanks Hugh. The St Francis 50 is on the Admiral's short list. Great boat! Keep us posted.


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The Antares 44 for sale which I posted here not too long ago is under contract. Went pretty quickly.
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The Antares 44 for sale which I posted here not too long ago is under contract. Went pretty quickly.
What's unbelievable is that you could get this one for a hundred grand less (asking).
Catamaran 2002 CATANA 581 Catamaran For Sale

Has to be the deal of the decade for someone capable of sailing her.
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Has to be the deal of the decade for someone capable of sailing her.
Not meaning to invoke thread drift here, but this brings up a point. IMO a boat like this really is too difficult for a couple to sail, so you need a professional skipper. I understand you had one on your boat.

The option of a boat around this length can eliminate itself based not only on purchase cost, but moreso on ongoing costs in consideration of the costs of professional skipper.

However, I suppose the option of paying less for a second hand boat and thereby covering the cost of a skipper for a few years presents is something to be considered.
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That's the point I was making earlier. The A44s are perceived as worth the extra dough. I'm not saying the Saba isn't but someone contracted this one in 6 weeks or less. BTW, It was listed for sale on Jan 15.
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And I'll tell you a YW secret. Anyone here has to swear not to tell anyone else. If you hit the Print This Boat link at the top of the page then it will tell you the date of listing or the date of the last change in price. Shhhhhh!!!!!!
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