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Old 20-09-2010, 17:46   #1
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Repair of Boat Not Mentioned in Advertising - Is this Normal ?

Hi,

Ok this is my second try on this, my first was deleted when I try to insert pictures

Hopefully the Moorings company will not put me on the black list for asking this questions.

I was in Koz, Greece this summer and one of the leisure activities I enjoy is walking in the boat harbor and dock yards looking on boats

As I was in the dock yards I found a Robertson&Caine Leopard 43, that was undergoing repairs. It looked like they was repairing cracks or faults in the joints between the hulls and bridge deck (on both sides), or maybe only in gelcoate . I could see repairs both in front and on the center section but I had no sight of the back so don't know of repairs there.

Sorry for pour quality of repair pictures when I took up the camera the repair people said no pictures, but when I took up my phone they didn't react

As I am looking to bay a multi hull (but not before 2012) I frequently scan the Internet for adverts and find this today:

2005 Robertson and Caine Leopard 43 Sail New and Used Boats for

As to my surprise the advertisement don't mention the repair done to the boat, and since the name is the same and the location it must be the same boat....

My questions is:

Is it normal practice to not mention repairs of this kind??

If a repair is very good done, It is not considered to mentioned??

Will not a repair of this kind influence the value of the boat??

Are not the broker responsible for informing customers of all faults, or is it only when contract is written they must do it??


In my country an advert like this without mention this will result in major back payment/or the boat must be taken back (for the seller) if somebody discover this in one or two years time..


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PS!! If the pictures is not working you can find them in my photo album on this forum...









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Old 20-09-2010, 17:50   #2
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How do I get my pictures here?? Please..
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Old 20-09-2010, 17:55   #3
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Oh yes, it is common. And they don't mention leaks, rot, broken things, generators that don't generate, fuel tanks that are rotted out, rusted out anchor chain, leaking pumps, defective bilge pumps, wet and/or delaminated core, etc., etc.

It is buyer beware and time to hire a reputable surveyor.
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Major structural problems sound like someone should fess up. As Deep Frz mentioned though, it is always buyer beware. I have had more than one boat rejected after a good surveyor went through it. Maybe some of the multihulls guys could comment on the above problems and how severe (or not) they are.
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Re: your pictures - I only see three loaded on here from you (in your gallery): One North Sea July, and two Midnight Suns.
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I was just looking at a listing by a very respected brokerage (part of a well known boat manufacturer) of a very highly regarded 51' boat that had to have wet core repairs done in the hull. I didn't see it in the listing but rather in another section of the website where it was mentioned. Now, whether this would be listed in an official offer for sale I don't know. One other thing mentioned that would make me take a real close look is the statement "Removed, cleaned and re-bedded several items of deck hardware as necessary". This was in 2004 and the latest date that "Upgrades and Maintenance" are mentioned.
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California and Florida are the only two states that seriously regulate brokers and do so by requiring them to be licensed. If you inquire you will be told there is no "disclosure" required of the broker or the seller when it comes to selling a boat. Caveat emptor (let the buyer beware) should be a buyer's motto as boat brokers are nothing more than used car salesmen in Dockers.
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Old 21-09-2010, 01:07   #8
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Hi,

Sorry for the problem with pictures.

Here is link to my photo album on this site concerning this tread.


Cruisers & Sailing Forums - Erikte's Album: Boats


If somebody is able to help me put the pictures in this tread or explain how to do it.
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Profile says that your in Norway asking about a boat in Greece and the people replying all appear in US or Canada. Each place will have different local regulations.

Short answer, it's never in the sellers benefit to tell you anything possible perceived as negative by you, therefore they will not unless required to. And in the US, it will vary state to state, for a boat, I think there's absolutely no requirement for them to mention anything.

Even in real estate transactions, buying or selling a house, where the seller is legally obligated to disclose any issues they are aware of (in most states of the US), it's not an issue that they have to disclose to you if they've had it repaired (it's fixed, no longer a defect, they only have to disclose actual defects that they are aware of). And the boat market is far less regulated than the real estate market.
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If somebody is able to help me put the pictures in this tread or explain how to do it.
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