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Old 05-08-2017, 16:49   #1
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Profurl genoa furler for cat

I was set to replace my Facnor LS200 genoa furler with a profurl C430 until a rigger advised me not to, he says that they are not suitable for cats in general as the short foil connectors cant handle the saggy forestays. Has anyone had this experience or heard the same?
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Re: Profurl genoa furler for cat

Our 2008 Leopard 40 came with ProFurl as original equipment for our jib. Not sure why a rigger says not to. I don't know exactly what model we are fitted with but it works just fine.
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Re: Profurl genoa furler for cat

Do you have a saggy forestay? It seems no different than a stay on a mono.
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Re: Profurl genoa furler for cat

I resent that saggy forestay remark :-)
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Re: Profurl genoa furler for cat

I should have mentioned I have a rotating mast so unfortunately I do suffer from a slightly loose forestay but not much worse than some, even with the RBS winched up tight I see 8-10" sag in the middle.
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Re: Profurl genoa furler for cat

I have a Profurl and would never buy another one. Get a Harken.
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Re: Profurl genoa furler for cat

Caelestis thanks for the advise, can you tell me what you don't like about the Profurl?
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Re: Profurl genoa furler for cat

Pacey16, I'd think that a set of runners would help in terms of headstay sag, not to mention taking some of the load off of your primary stays. Non? Especially if they're large (strong) enough, & taken to the boat's stern quarters.

Much of where you'd attach them & how will depend on the structural configuration of your mast tube, assuming that it is not too much work (or cost) to retrofit them. But it would also help your pointing abiity, & perhaps give the mast a bit more support for use with Code sails, & Spinnakers.

There are a couple of threads on Wing Mast design, & rigging over on Sailing Anarchy Forums, including one started by Ian Farrier. You know, the F-boat designer. Carbon Masts - Multihull Anarchy - Sailing Anarchy Forums

I started one of them, & one of my questions has to do with Colligo Marine's Soft Stay furler. Extra Light Headsail Furling Sytem — Colligo Marine®

The thread's here --> DIY Wing Mast Questions - Multihull Anarchy - Sailing Anarchy Forums
Though given the scarcity of feedback on the furler it might be best to talk to Mr. Franta at Colligo directly. But supposedly it was designed out of a need for something a little different, which could deal with the rotation of wing masts. Along with the unique flexing which they subject rigging to. As it can shorten the life of some rigging bits markedly.
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Re: Profurl genoa furler for cat

What is wrong with the Facnor S200?
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Re: Profurl genoa furler for cat

My FP Antigua 37 has had a Profurl on it since new in 92'. I've had a Harken on my mono back home since the 80's. I've had no issue's with the Profurl over the last 8 years of ownership in the Fla/Bahamas environment. I don't really see any real difference in the two? I'd definitely do something to try and get rid of all that sag as others have mentioned.
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Re: Profurl genoa furler for cat

Had two Profurls on my 50 ft monohull for 15 years.
Have two on my 44ft Cat now on year 6.
Never a problem.
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Re: Profurl genoa furler for cat

My cat had a Profurl. But No idea how the rotating mast comes in to play.
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Re: Profurl genoa furler for cat

Thanks for the feedback guys.
Uncivilised, I do have a strong set of Runniing Back Stays and I winch them up pretty tight until i see the leeward mainstay going slack which I suppose is when the boat starts to bend? Thanks for the refernce to material on wingmasts, i have found it difficult to find much online or anywhere else.
Bean Counter, The problem with the facnor LS200 is although it is fairly easy to turn when no load on it as soon as there is any wind at all I have to use the winch to furl away the sail and it is so tight i recently replaced the double braid reefing line with Dyneema incase the Double Braid parted in strong winds. I see a few boats around with the LS200 so they cant be that bad but a search on CF shows them to be troublesome and a few members say dont even try servicing them?
Has anyone been able to pull apart a 2009 LS200 and service it?
I was surprised when the Rigger advised me not to go with Profurl as apart from Caelestis I havnt heard a bad word about them and suspect it may be because the Rigger wasnt an agent for them?
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Re: Profurl genoa furler for cat

Interesting. We have a Facnor LS200 running a 557 sq ft genoa on a Lagoon 450 now 6 years old. It has always felt tight but it has never failed and it still has the original polyester furling line. I read one of the posts on rinsing the top bearing with copious amounts of fresh water to flush out salt build up and also about replacing the top bushing, I'll do the rinse job tomorrow and see if it makes a difference.
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Re: Profurl genoa furler for cat

How about a little more rake in the mast to take some of that slack out of the forestay? I've placed an aluminum wedge under the front edge of mine to help induce this.
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