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Old 12-10-2016, 11:40   #1
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Hi Folks. Wife and I are keenly interested in a mid 90's Privilege 37 to cruise aboard part time for a few years, then live aboard. There is one in Rio Dulce we are going to visit soon. I have a few questions about the breed in general and some specifics.

Deck hardware. It has not been re-bedded in 20 years. I'm willing to re-bed everything myself if it is possible, including the repair of soft spots. Mast would require a haul-out, no problem. If I were to have this done professionally, what might be a reasonable cost estimate? There are some headliner stains from somewhere, probably deck hardware. Does headliner all come out to do a re-bed?

Vessel has lived its life in water and anti-fouled in good order. Notwithstanding there are a few blisters. Repair them as you go or consider a peel? Hard to say without a moisture meter I know. There is a surveyor there and he will say what he can about it. There is to my knowledge no non-invasive way to ascertain moisture content in lamanent. I could be wrong (smile). What has been you experience with osmosis?

Electrical system is unusual on these; modules, wire tape, and such. Can these specialty items still be found? Can the electrical systems be owner maintained, within reason?

Electronics are at least seven years old. Should I consider replacing them all? I've read here that it should be done every five to be safe.... What might it cost to upgrade electronics? Radar, autopilot, and all the rest. I like Garmin, but it could be anything that works well.

I have been aboard two 37's of near the same vintage (1996) and found them to be built strong. Their accommodations are superlative for a vessel this length. I can't find another sub 40 cat that I like any better on the used market. If you as an owner of a 37 have found things I need to think about before purchase, I would appreciate your insight. Good things or malady, I'd like to hear both.

Thank you. ---->bruce
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Old 12-10-2016, 13:44   #2
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Re: Privilege 37

Also check out the Broadblue 38.
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Old 12-10-2016, 15:29   #3
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We've looked at A 37&39. The biggest concerns are Window leaks , especially front salon which do leak a lot can damage forward bulkhead, floors, run down to hull bulkheads, wood joinery goes thru the sole and can also rot. One 39 we looked at had core issues every where there was deck hard ware not properly bedded or maintained. The Inside had been painted and the water and mold was coming right thru. This included bimini top mounts, winches, hatches etc. It would have taken a lot of work to correct. The other issue was the wiring. The French had no business wiring boats back then maybe not even now lol. The wiring on these boats is the worst I've ever seen and the absolute worse breaker panel set up. Unless changed, which some have done. Headliner if not already sagging is probably glued back up. Other than these issues which are found on a few other models, good solid boats and yes very nice for a sub 40 cat.
I would get a great surveyor do the work yourself , Paying someone else to fix everything, you would be better off buying a newer boat. Most pros charge $75-100 hour. You could have 100-160 hours of work to rebed everything. So how's 15-20k sound? Best to learn it or do it yourself if you plan to keep her. My 2c. Also even a cheap home depot moisture meter can be used to detect variances enough in moisture to give you some idea. If it has never had barrier coat done it could be an issue. Again I would not buy one without a proper haul out and survey... These hulls were foam cored If I remember correctly and had a combination of cores used on the decks.
What is the reason for removing the mast, is it compressing the deck at the base?
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Old 12-10-2016, 16:00   #4
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Re: Privilege 37

Overall very well designed and built. Quality above same age FPs. All up to how well your unit has been maintained.

I would buy one for my own use. Of older smaller cats this is one of my all time faves.

PLS let us know what you find when you get there!

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Greetings and welcome aboard the CF, Bruce.
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Old 13-10-2016, 03:52   #6
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https://m.facebook.com/The-sailing-c...5555651132961/

Check this privilege out. The guy doing it is on cf
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Old 14-10-2016, 08:15   #7
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Thank you ladies (?) and gentlemen. I appreciate your responses.

Zboss: Broadblue 38 is a competent boat. There seems to be a number of used ones out there and owners are happy. I'm a galley-down kind of guy though. I will surely keep one of these in mind!

Dulcesuenos: Salient comments to be sure. Thanks for taking the time. A certified pre-purchase survey and haulout are scheduled upon our arrival, along with an overnight sail to test systems. Hopefully the condition of this vessel will become clear after a week of observation. I have also contracted a certified volvo mechanic to assess the powerplants including oil analysis. Re re-bedding: I do plan on doing the work myself. The question is whether to spend those months twisting wrenches or cruising. I have no experience with headliners. Maybe it could be learned, but not where it sits. Parts and pieces will be hard to find there, and expensive (import taxes). Mast: No reason to remove really. I just want to know if water is getting past it, and fix if it is. Re barrier coat: Owner claims anti-fouling every two years. Hopefully the surveyors high tech tools will tell me something about the hull. I will have surveyor take extra care looking at the windows and hatches since Privileges seem to have some issues with that, and I will use the rest of your comments when assessing a privilege. Maybe I'll see you in the Exumas. I'll keep an eye out (smile).

barnakiel: Thank you for responding. I will of course let the group know what we find! Least I can do. P37's on the market are rare and we may end up with something else. Can't wait forever.....

GordMay: Thanks for the welcoming comments. I should have introduced ourselves properly. Apologies. I have been snooping here for years and I must say, there is no finer group of people in the world than those who have fun staying alive on boats in saltwater! I can't wait to get back to it. My challenge is to have my wife be as happy as me with living aboard. She's a bit ticklish about it all. As a caring and conscientious husband/boatman maybe I can get that to happen, yes!

Manawatuman: Man, that's one helluva restoration! I don't have the skill sets for that, but admire those who do!
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Old 06-12-2016, 08:24   #8
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Barnakiel (and the others who posted), as promised, a report on our attempt to purchase a used P37 in Guatemala. For the sake of brevity I will try and be brief. We wound our way from the airport in San Pedro Sula into Rio Dulce and did an overnight cruise with the owner. It all went fine, and my wife and I found the vessel to be in decent cosmetic condition. The owner is proud of his yacht and it presents well. The SAMS surveyor had been on the job for a few days before our arrival, and went over his findings on board the cat with us. He pointed out a number of troubling areas, some major, most minor. There was some new standing rig (wrong strand) mixed with original 20 year old wire, electrical DIY dangers, a few soft spots on the deck, a cracked original plastic fuel cell (fuel fill neck), legacy electronics, cracked/leaky front portlights, water and crud in the fuel cells (not much), inside propane locker with no sensor/cutoff, a watermaker way oversized for the electrical system requiring a 5000w coleman generator onboard to run it, and a host of smaller details that would cost a little something to fix. Diesels good. Not disclosed was that vessel had been in charter for five years before his ownership and was in really rough condition when he took delivery. No maintenance log. No cruising log. The high end of the survey evaluation range came in 17k under the ask. Owner came down 5k, and we came up 5k. That still put us 7k apart so we turned it down, and that was before haulout. Owner became quite angry at our offer and then came the dark side. He doesn't like Jews nor Americans, and conversation soon became uncomfortable. He called the surveyor dead wrong, and disagreed with most of his findings. Otto the storm was beginning to head uphill, we were startled by the Jekyl 'n' Hyde thing, so we booked out three days ahead of schedule. The owner's parting comments: “No matter which foreign port you sail into, they hate Americans, so you should watch yourselves.” And finally, “You don't deserve to own my boat.” Sure thing pal, and you don't deserve to have vocal cords. I didn't say that to him directly, as we depended on him to give us a dinghy ride back to town, which he did. Whew! Outta there.

A vessel for sale by an owner still cruising is a slippery affair. Its for sale at a set price and if it doesn't sell, they continue to cruise. That is not a yacht for sale in my opinion. Always something to learn from a tale like this, and in his defense, there are always two sides to it. Next time I will have the survey done before booking a flight. Another point; surveyor said that his findings would probably disallow an insurance policy. I really should have waited for that information before traveling. All in all, my wife and I had a mostly pleasant trip to a new and interesting place. The quest for an experienced feline continues. ----->bruce
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Hey Bruce,

Thanks for the write up. Most interesting and educative.

Psychoanalysts call the parting words 'the spill' and many claim these are more telling than the whole hour spent on the sofa. Too bad the owner turned out not willing to sell. Many things can be sorted out on a boat boat that needs some tlc but you can't fix the owner's head.

I hope you will find a fine sample in a more accessible location. They are not many on the market but they do come up now and then.

Today I spent at least half an hour ogling an older Outremer and then I moved on and had a look at a new Bali docked one slot away. I must admit, money no object, I would take the Outremer each time. Some elements in modern cats ... they just have to grow on me ... ;-)

Go chase find your cat! Best of luck!

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