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Old 02-12-2011, 22:00   #46
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With the help from some friends we salvaged an Outremer some years ago it was around 36 feet, sailed like the wind when it was rebuilt, an impressive sailors boat, accomodation was cramped but that's the trade-off.
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Old 02-12-2011, 22:17   #47
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That response shows so much maritime insight, I'll have to look at the Lagoon 44 little more closely now.
Beware the armchair sailors and the book readers who never venture outside of the Marina, the high steering station is often criticised on Lagoon 44's, worries of the ultimate storm, cyclones and hurricanes and no doubt the dreaded Kraken run wild.

The truth is you move from anchorage to anchorage when cruising. The truth is a high vantage point is fantastic on any vessel other than a submarine.

The next point the detractors come up with is the fact a Lagoon has air con, gen sets, watermaker, radar, and heaven forbid electrical wires!!!! Hell Josh Slocum never had volts!!! Usually the negative (excuse the pun) is the reliability aspect.... Well i gotta say on a boat NOTHING should be relied on. So enjoy what you can it makes it much easier on family and most importantly the partner.
Choosing a boat or a partner is a personal thing something to be respected by others a great piece of advice i was given years ago was "if you cant say something nice then shut up"
Wish you well with checking out a Lagoon, weight advice from previous or current owners heavily cos theres a lot of arm chairs out there.... just watch who takes offence LMAO...
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I'd say basic maybe crude BUT it's a boat just the same, it no doubt is his/her pride and joy looks like steel or maybe ply. To each his own......
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The point of these bows (ha! that's a pun!) is that they come back OUT of the water easily.

Raked the other way, they would increase resistance as the bow starts to go under - like many boat designs, mono or cat.

However, these long, sharp, wave-piercing bows are going to potentially see a lot of time with water over them. So they are designed to let the bow come back up easily when the reserve buoyancy designed farther aft in the boat kicks in and starts to lift the bow.

Look at the AC45 boats to see this in action.

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I guess it's a compromise, i get your point about them shedding water easily on there upward journey. BUT aesthetically i just don't like them, interesting but not on my list of wow!
My life now evolves around Catamarans and i guess i have a love for any vessel that has powerful bow sections (like women i guess) it gives me a sense that when overdriven there's lots of reserve bouyancy available. To that extent i dislike reverse sheer it scares me, cant get the Herreschoff out of my ideal forms albeit a bit hard to envisage a 'Clipper Bow' on a catamaran.. Although i'll bet some toss has done it lmao!
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I believe this is a Morelli & Melvine 60/66ft design.
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I believe this is a Morelli & Melvine 60/66ft design.
Such a fine entry, certainly do some damage hitting anything with that.... Nice
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Such a fine entry, certainly do some damage hitting anything with that.... Nice
I've always thought for vessels having such a sharp bow, it would be nice to have rubber bumpers that you could hang over the bow edges, held in place by a small vacuum pump, for close quarters maneuvering and docking. I know just another system that can fail.
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I've always thought for vessels having such a sharp bow, it would be nice to have rubber bumpers that you could hang over the bow edges, held in place by a small vacuum pump, for close quarters maneuvering and docking. I know just another system that can fail.
mmmm I hear what your saying we don't finalise on our Lagoon till early January but i remember seeing in the forward locker a moulded flexible fender that is suspended by lines for just that scenario, but quite honestly when maneouvering using lines ie springers you really have lots of control. Especially with two engines with props 20 foot apart. .... Cheers
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a pretty cat is one you can afford,they get uglier the more $$$ you have to shell out
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LMAO good analogy, true of many things........
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I guess it's a compromise, i get your point about them shedding water easily on there upward journey. BUT aesthetically i just don't like them, interesting but not on my list of wow!
My life now evolves around Catamarans and i guess i have a love for any vessel that has powerful bow sections (like women i guess) it gives me a sense that when overdriven there's lots of reserve bouyancy available. To that extent i dislike reverse sheer it scares me, cant get the Herreschoff out of my ideal forms albeit a bit hard to envisage a 'Clipper Bow' on a catamaran.. Although i'll bet some toss has done it lmao!
How about length waterline? Also, most hulls with very fine entry rely on underwater hull shape combined with speed to provide lift (like spoilers do on cars). This wasn't something that was considered in Herreschoff design days. Today, clipper bows are mstly very wet... often wetter than maximized waterline at the bow.

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Dunno about 'Ugly Cat's'.... but sexy over 30ft to me is below...

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I was waiting for you to chime in, Boatman! I love the Wherry designs!
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I was waiting for you to chime in, Boatman! I love the Wherry designs!
Yup....
Jimbo turns out some good stuff... for me that is...
The others a 'Beneteau Blue'.... another nice high boat underneath...
Most love cats for the accomodation.. and suffer the loss of performance...
I go for the performance and am content with the accomodation...
Ohoh...!! thats done it...
Gonna stir up the Washer/Drier/Jacuzzi set..
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You could take that same material (Ply,Epoxy,Glass) used to build a 12m wharram


And have put it towards something like this, also made from Ply, epoxy and glass.

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