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Old 05-06-2016, 13:21   #61
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Re: Oceangoing for under $1000

Back in the 80s a Greek guy named Jason sailed around the world with his partner a German lady on a 5 meter wooden sailboat (14 feet) which he found abandoned on the beach with a Johnson outboard 9 HP he got for free. He sailed the " wrong" way sailing East instead of west started from East Med down to the Red Sea Indian Ocean Pacific Panama Atlantic Gibraltar and landed back at the East Med .

Couple of years later he did it again with a rescued 21 footer

So everything is possible, not that I recommend it though

I met the guy in person one day while he was selling his book with the description of the crossings
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They didn't use outriggers for ocean crossing. Outrigger canoes were mostly for local work. They used voyaging catamarans which were much larger and more substantial.
Right you are! And there's one currently doing a circumnavigation. My wife and I had the delight of stepping aboard when they visited Pago Pago. The crew held Q&A and tours while explaining how they navigated without instruments {No GPS for THESE folk!} and how the vessel was built & how it's sailed. Fascinating stuff.

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Re: Oceangoing for under $1000

The ones that were successful in a scheme like this(didn't die and disappear) are the ones you hear about. All the best stories come from the people who never survived.

Make bunch of them, and launch them. Some of them will actually make it without drowning.
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Back in the 80s a Greek guy named Jason sailed around the world with his partner a German lady on a 5 meter wooden sailboat (14 feet) which he found abandoned on the beach with a Johnson outboard 9 HP he got for free. He sailed the " wrong" way sailing East instead of west started from East Med down to the Red Sea Indian Ocean Pacific Panama Atlantic Gibraltar and landed back at the East Med .

Couple of years later he did it again with a rescued 21 footer

So everything is possible, not that I recommend it though

I met the guy in person one day while he was selling his book with the description of the crossings
He probably sneaked out, hung out somewhere for the time period, and then cam back to port and claimed he did it.
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I would go for a cheap sailboat in the mid 20's, you can get out of the weather for a few hours a day, carry more stuff. Can't even think of what happens, when a breaking wave hits a canoe with stuff lashed to it. Just go around the marinas and ask the dockmaster who's not paying the bills. There were two boats offer for free last year, one was capable of a milk run.

I've done long runs (125 miles) with Hobie 16s in the '80s and a beach cat should not be an option. The canoe with outriggers can't carry any more and certainly not as strong.
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In the hurricane you can just sink the canoe with outrigger and survive in it that way in bad weather as the breakers go completely above you. Then bail it and sail in calmer conditions.

Most of the time you just sail around the bad waves since you have superior maneuverability compared to larger vessels.
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In the hurricane you can just sink the canoe with outrigger and survive in it that way in bad weather as the breakers go completely above you. Then bail it and sail in calmer conditions.

Most of the time you just sail around the bad waves since you have superior maneuverability compared to larger vessels.
Yeah, right... SAIL around the bad waves in a cyclone in your outrigger. That seems like fantasy of the first order, mate. And sinking the boat so that the waves go over you??? Seems like your stash of toilet paper might get too wet to use, along with all your other gear.

We've only been at sea in one Cat 1 cyclone, and neither of those options would have worked then. I doubt if they would be better advised in a more severe system.

I know that you are a successful advocate of simple and small, but this advice is preposterous IMO.

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Re: Oceangoing for under $1000

Guys let me tell you when you are in the blender not much will help you you just batten down strap in and wait for it to end. ( Been thru several typhoons )
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I am REALLY glad his legislative effort failed!

The reality in an effort like the one described by the OP is that it depends much more upon the ingenuity, determination, experience, etc. of the person attempting it, rather than on the "vessel". A Hobie cat has made it across the Drake Passage to the Antarctic. Lots of tiny boats have made all sorts of trips. A Mexican made it from Mexico to the Tuamotus in a Finn (didn't eat much food, either. He gorged himself for weeks prior to the trip, and more or less starved himself all the way across). John Neal, the highly regarded sailor who, with his wife Amanda, have trained lots of blue water sailors, made his first trip to Hawaii with very little experience on a very basic Albin Vega. He had no idea how to navigate and taught himself celestial on the way across.

There are far too many people who judge others' skills and desires by their own and decry anything remotely risky, particularly in the good ol' US. And then earnestly try to legislate the efforts of others out of existence.

The most dangerous thing any of us does is to get into a piece of metal and hurtle along at 80 miles an hour, five feet from someone else, doing the same thing while maybe drinking or texting. If someone had come up with that idea in the present, instead of over a hundred years ago, it would never have been permitted. But, we don't worry much. The risks one is comfortable with has a lot to do with what one is accustomed to.
I agree with you 100% there's over 100,000 deaths on our highways annually and nobody gives a hoot about hopping into a car. If cars were invented today, they would not in a million years let you put something as dangerous as gasoline into a 20 gallon tin can strapped to it.
I love when someone has the balls to prove to all the Pussy's out there that a real man can do anything when he puts his mind to it.
I say how dare they even try to make adventures like this illegal . There was 4 deaths on Mt Everest last week and they aren't talking about shutting down the mountain , Even when they lost 20 sherpas last year in an avalanche.
People need adventurous people to show the rest of the world what can be done with very little resources.
Nobody gains any respect from anybody when they cross the Pacific Ocean in a 42 foot ketch with the Diesel engine running half the way, along with a cook in the galley and a deck crew. There's no risk in that method. No Risk = No Reward.
Thats plane and simple. There is a guy that sailed a 10 foot open sailboat right around the world.You should read his story. you can Google it. I'll take my hat off to show him respect if I ever have the honour of meeting him in person.
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I think the one I have will clean up just fine.
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I think the one I have will clean up just fine.
But your old one doesn't have a sail
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I know it runs on a pull string and dead dinosaurs...
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In the hurricane you can just sink the canoe with outrigger and survive in it that way in bad weather as the breakers go completely above you. Then bail it and sail in calmer conditions.

Most of the time you just sail around the bad waves since you have superior maneuverability compared to larger vessels.
Nice image... especially at night. Ah, a nice restful night in a lovely tropical evening, soft breezes and cool spray misting gently over you...
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