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Old 31-03-2016, 03:41   #16
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14.5 knots of boat speed in 10 knots of wind? All l can say is😁😄😝😛😜😆


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I could not see that on the video ? a bit unfortunate that the speedo isn't working. Pretty cool boat anyway and at last someone going high speed with the dinghy on the davits ! (in reference to recent lagoon & nautitech vids)
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Old 31-03-2016, 05:05   #17
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[QUOTE=daletournier;2085725]My boat is 32 years old and built with balsa, no one mentioned a use by date when I purchased it./QUOTE]

Sorry to hear that Dale.

Have a chat to one of the pioneers of the use of cores in boat construction, such as Dereck Kelsall.

From his web site " If you are a boat buyer never buy a boat with Balsa in the structure"
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Old 31-03-2016, 05:10   #18
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I believe you could build a brand new Mojo cheaper than that.
Really?

Just the sail wardrobe alone is 100k on that boat. But if you could build for cheaper,

go for it.
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Old 31-03-2016, 05:49   #19
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My boat is 32 years old and built with balsa, no one mentioned a use by date when I purchased it./QUOTE]

Sorry to hear that Dale.

Have a chat to one of the pioneers of the use of cores in boat construction, such as Dereck Kelsall.

From his web site " If you are a boat buyer never buy a boat with Balsa in the structure"
Obviously the designer of Mojo and many others past & present must be wrong........I wonder when all the thousands of balsa boats out there will expire? All materials have their for & againsts , balsa being no exception.
Best to leave it at that as we're drifting.
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Old 31-03-2016, 06:08   #20
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Not only that, but most Schionings are balsa cored, so one would expect a useby date.

It doesn't take much mushy balsa to devalue a boat considerably.

Best to unload sooner than later.
Suggest you do some research and know what you are talking about before you defame Jeff Schionning, and Julian Griffiths. Most Schionnings are in fact DuFlex, which, whilst constructed from balsa is quite a different animal to just having balsa as the core. Quite different. I too would never buy a balsa cored boat, very happy to own a properly built duflex boat. What is your armchair constructed from?
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Old 31-03-2016, 06:09   #21
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I could not see that on the video ? a bit unfortunate that the speedo isn't working. Pretty cool boat anyway and at last someone going high speed with the dinghy on the davits ! (in reference to recent lagoon & nautitech vids)

12-15 seconds into the video it was verbally stated.


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Old 31-03-2016, 06:36   #22
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And later the instruments show them doing 18kn.

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My boat is 32 years old and built with balsa, no one mentioned a use by date when I purchased it./QUOTE]

Sorry to hear that Dale.

Have a chat to one of the pioneers of the use of cores in boat construction, such as Dereck Kelsall.

From his web site " If you are a boat buyer never buy a boat with Balsa in the structure"
I keep forgetting that Derek Kelsall is the ultimate authority on boat building.

Meanwhile, "Red Jacket", the first ever balsa cored fibreglass boat is still sailing. 50 years after it was launched.
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I keep forgetting that Derek Kelsall is the ultimate authority on boat building.

Meanwhile, "Red Jacket", the first ever balsa cored fibreglass boat is still sailing. 50 years after it was launched.
Ya, but it's coming up on its lifespan. Say in the next 50 years or so it will catastrophically fail... If not then certainly in the 50 years after that.

This is also why I won't buy a steel boat, they eventually rust. Fiberglass and aluminium have a fatigue curve so they are out. This is why the only acceptable material to build a boat out of would be titanium. Of course it is so expensive only a handful of boats have been made from it, but everything else is junk.
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Yes, and I imagine, it will be very hard to sell "one off" cat down the road.
I think it would be harder than a Lagoon, given their popularity but I agree with Ann about Aus/NZ being a specialist market for these sorts of things. Even France..you'll find a buyer but just not as quickly.

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it's hardly cruising though

I mean would you buy a Harley for speed?
It's most definitely a performance cruiser - it has more space and amenities than the majority of boats out there cruising and doesn't need to be specced the way they've specced Mojo. They are keen racers and Mojo has some excellent racing credentials but you don't need to have their extensive sail wardrobe/hardware to cruise.

People race Harley's ... they're a bit weird but it happens. Also, this is more like people cruising on a sports bike and that happens a lot. There's a guy who has ridden around the world on an R1... I used to commute in London, all year round, on my Ducati 996.

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Not only that, but most Schionings are balsa cored, so one would expect a useby date.

It doesn't take much mushy balsa to devalue a boat considerably.

Best to unload sooner than later.
Ignorance is bliss eh! See Greg's and Dale's posts below ...

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So long as the deck hardware was properly installed there is no known lifespan of balsa core. There are thousands of boats out there with balsa that are coming close to their 50th birthday and show no signs of stopping yet. It's amazing, if you don't abuse things they tend to last.
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My boat is 32 years old and built with balsa, no one mentioned a use by date when I purchased it. Maybe the date is the same for the carbon fibre mast.....I'll have a look in the manual.
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I would also add that Schionning have a foam version of the same design as Mojo, the G-Force 1500. Build what you want.

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Really?

Just the sail wardrobe alone is 100k on that boat. But if you could build for cheaper,

go for it.
Yep, really - even with the sails. I'm not trying to be smart or denigrate Mojo or her owner; I hope it didn't come across that way. I'm a very big fan of Schionning designs and their boats and Mojo is an exceptional example of the breed. She's been built very light, minimal, is a wee bit longer and has amazing racing credentials having been captained and crewed by very experienced people. No money has been spared on her. She would be an excellent buy for someone and I'm sure there'd be no regrets.

For me, I'm planning on cruising and would build her differently, use a different builder and have a smaller, different sail wardrobe and come out well and truly under that number. I'm not just randomly speculating here; I've done a lot of research over a number of years.
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