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Old 28-07-2015, 09:11   #16
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Re: New Lagoon 450 sports top

In reality each to their own.

I would warn if the boom is at the same height as the current L450 you will need a ladder to close the lazy bag, l have the full Bimini and use that but you won't on the L450S.

When will Lagoon listen and produce a Hardtop for the current model as l think a lot of owners would be interested.

The new model looks a lot sexier in parts, great video 👍


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In reality each to their own.

I would warn if the boom is at the same height as the current L450 you will need a ladder to close the lazy bag, l have the full Bimini and use that but you won't on the L450S.

When will Lagoon listen and produce a Hardtop for the current model as l think a lot of owners would be interested.

The new model looks a lot sexier in parts, great video 👍


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I would expect the boom to be set at a height that complements the new "sports top" design, much the same as my L400 just a larger version. I am looking foreward to spending three days at the Sydney Boat Show this weekend, leaving tomorrow. I will have a chat to the Lagoon folk maybe a French rep will be on hand, hopefully they will have more information on the L450ST as I am quite interested as my next Catamaran. I imagine it would be safe to buy the first as the "new" L450ST has only had the upper level modified to suit folk like me, so I assume the bottom half if you like is the same as Flybridge L450, a well proven design, over 400 sold world wide as I understand. I need the choice of total weather protection which my L400 provides very well. The L450ST would be a nice size up about as big as I would be able to handle, having said that I guess the L400 really is just fine, we will see.
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Re: New Lagoon 450 sports top

Happy shopping Peter! Yes some line drawings from Lagoon indicate the sail plan will be lower than the standard L450 with the boom just clearing the Bimini and a slightly shorter mast. The hardtop Bimini looks good but I wonder if the sliding panel is clear. It would be nice to see the sails with it closed. Peter I'll be interested to hear your thoughts after the show comparing the Helia with the L450. Obviously they won't have a sport top 450 there but hopefully you will get a good idea from the reps of what will differ. I guess from the drawings there also won't be the lower ceiling in the cockpit to accommodate the flybridge.
At the boat show, try to keep in mind the additional area to be cleaned of the larger cat to temper your lust for a new boat
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I would expect the boom to be set at a height that complements the new "sports top" design, much the same as my L400 just a larger version. I am looking foreward to spending three days at the Sydney Boat Show this weekend, leaving tomorrow. I will have a chat to the Lagoon folk maybe a French rep will be on hand, hopefully they will have more information on the L450ST as I am quite interested as my next Catamaran. I imagine it would be safe to buy the first as the "new" L450ST has only had the upper level modified to suit folk like me, so I assume the bottom half if you like is the same as Flybridge L450, a well proven design, over 400 sold world wide as I understand. I need the choice of total weather protection which my L400 provides very well. The L450ST would be a nice size up about as big as I would be able to handle, having said that I guess the L400 really is just fine, we will see.
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PETER, check out the Freeflow catamaran stand at the Boat Show. They have some interesting developments.
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Old 28-07-2015, 19:38   #20
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Monte your dead right as cleaning is a pain 😓

Peter good luck at the show and please keep us updated.


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Re: New Lagoon 450 sports top

The boom is around 3 feet lower.

For family cruising with 2 kids i do not want to be "upstairs" and the rest "downstairs". This sound like a monohull thing to me!

I want to be on one floor most of the day and with two smaller kids the flybridge was not my cup of tea.
I rather prefere a solution like the 420 or 400 or 380S2

But itīs nice to have options...

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PETER, check out the Freeflow catamaran stand at the Boat Show. They have some interesting developments.
Downunder, I love the Hull design of the Free Flow 46. Best of both worlds, some keel & prop protection, but you don't lose a ton of draft. Daggerboards for upwind!

I can't wait to see them at the Miami Show in 2017!
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Downunder, I love the Hull design of the Free Flow 46. Best of both worlds, some keel & prop protection, but you don't lose a ton of draft. Daggerboards for upwind!

I can't wait to see them at the Miami Show in 2017!
Apparently they have made some changes and it will be 47ft now.

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Re: New Lagoon 450 sports top

I have ordered one and to answer the questions asked. The boom is lower and accessible from the coach roof. The hard top over the Bimini has windows to see the sails. We will be doing a teams Atlantic with the boat and will be posting lots of information on catamaranguru.com


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I would expect the boom to be set at a height that complements the new "sports top" design, much the same as my L400 just a larger version. I am looking foreward to spending three days at the Sydney Boat Show this weekend, leaving tomorrow. I will have a chat to the Lagoon folk maybe a French rep will be on hand, hopefully they will have more information on the L450ST as I am quite interested as my next Catamaran. I imagine it would be safe to buy the first as the "new" L450ST has only had the upper level modified to suit folk like me, so I assume the bottom half if you like is the same as Flybridge L450, a well proven design, over 400 sold world wide as I understand. I need the choice of total weather protection which my L400 provides very well. The L450ST would be a nice size up about as big as I would be able to handle, having said that I guess the L400 really is just fine, we will see.
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Re: New Lagoon 450 sports top

I have ordered a 450S and spent some time on the display boat at the recent Barcelona Boat show. The modified lines of the roof do look good. The hard top Bimini didn't have a window, there is the sliding hatch to gain access to the roof, however this did not afford a good view of the rig. To view the rig when on a port tack/reach I think you will need to take one step up the ladder...
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So when you are actually sailing the L450S and all those ropes are in use and no longer neatly coiled for display around the winches where will the tangle end up? The main halyard is a double length (59m!)and takes a lot of space up in the L450 Classic rope bin when the main is up. Does the L450S have a rope bin?


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The L450S looks good and I can see a number of good improvements (side windows in saloon).

The 11 ropes that are all focused at the helm will be a busy tangle (one small rope bag only). The L450 Classic has three locations to operate and store the ropes. Then add a spinnaker and another 5 ropes and it will be interesting.

The operation of the port jib sheet and main sheet on a winch at the same time will not be possible. I now never leave the jib sheet on just a clutch as the forces close hauled are so massive it is close to pulling the clutch out of the roof.

Note the location of the 4th winch. An orphan only for the jib furling? And how do you do that solo keeping tension on the jib sheet by hand?

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Re: New Lagoon 450 sports top

I wouldn't worry to much about Line handling. It looks like a similar setup to the L400 and there's ample room for sheets and halyards at the helm and in the bags. Some info on that around about the 6 or 7 minute mark of this vid I think
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