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Old 13-03-2016, 20:44   #31
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We have 9 cats in our group from 40-54 feet. Sailing to windward they sail slower than the monos and point lower, most motor sail in these conditions. Off the wind they do much better but seem to be around the same speeds as the larger monos, around 10 knots, give or take if the conditions are really good. No one beats them after anchoring. Our smaller mono will surf at 12 knots at times but I'd never tell anyone that we sail at 12 knots. I've had a real good chance to observe these boats and listen to the skippers and like monos life is not always a bowl of cherries. I have come to really like a couple of them but wouldn't want to write the cheque, lol.

Can you tell us what designs the 9 cats are? Just like monos, some are fast and weatherly and others are not.


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Old 13-03-2016, 23:36   #32
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Re: New Lagoon 42S at 16 knots

What headsail is that?
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Old 14-03-2016, 04:08   #33
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What headsail is that?
"Gennaker", a sort of furling asymmetrical spinnaker, but cut flat enough to sail up to about 60 degrees.

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We have 9 cats in our group from 40-54 feet. Sailing to windward they sail slower than the monos and point lower, most motor sail in these conditions. Off the wind they do much better but seem to be around the same speeds as the larger monos, around 10 knots, give or take if the conditions are really good. No one beats them after anchoring. Our smaller mono will surf at 12 knots at times but I'd never tell anyone that we sail at 12 knots. I've had a real good chance to observe these boats and listen to the skippers and like monos life is not always a bowl of cherries. I have come to really like a couple of them but wouldn't want to write the cheque, lol."

Please, please! Don't turn this into yet another "monos can sail better thread".
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if you get the nice wave to surf on it is easy to get 16 kt. and that is what this looks like, but still it is good speed.
you could be right, actually.

video is made up of short clips, likely coinciding with swell passing under boat.

whatever, I will pull out my spi next time and see how it goes.
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Old 14-03-2016, 04:30   #35
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Please, please! Don't turn this into yet another "monos can sail better thread".
But they can - you should know that by now
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Re: New Lagoon 42S at 16 knots

I have it on good authority Lagoon have sold ninety L42S already.
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"Gennaker", a sort of furling asymmetrical spinnaker, but cut flat enough to sail up to about 60 degrees.

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We have 9 cats in our group from 40-54 feet. Sailing to windward they sail slower than the monos and point lower, most motor sail in these conditions. Off the wind they do much better but seem to be around the same speeds as the larger monos, around 10 knots, give or take if the conditions are really good. No one beats them after anchoring. Our smaller mono will surf at 12 knots at times but I'd never tell anyone that we sail at 12 knots. I've had a real good chance to observe these boats and listen to the skippers and like monos life is not always a bowl of cherries. I have come to really like a couple of them but wouldn't want to write the cheque, lol."

Please, please! Don't turn this into yet another "monos can sail better thread".
Not on my mind but just not ready to buy into some of the speeds that people are suggesting for cruising cats because I have not observed this type of performance and I am surrounded by cats. They all sail just fine but there are no rocket ships and the skippers are very open about real world performance. As far as I can tell none of them bought their boats expecting unbelievable performance, they bought the room and the view and the ease of sailing and while each of them have their complaints they all love their boats.
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Re: New Lagoon 42S at 16 knots

What a beauty!! Pardon me for rewriting an american slogan from the biking fraternity; "The great French Freedom machine !!"

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Can you tell us what designs the 9 cats are? Just like monos, some are fast and weatherly and others are not.


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Lagoons, FP, PDQ Leopard

All good cruising boats, none of them being performance oriented or weatherly.


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Re: New Lagoon 42S at 16 knots

I have quite some experience on L400, L440 & L450, pushed the L440 to 17+ (surfing obviously) and IMO that video is impressive ! I think Lagoon did an excellent job there marketing wise, pushing the boat in moderate weather conditions.

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-looking at the trim of sails, the AWA should be around 110-115 degrees. At 18 kts of boat speed, this means the true wind is at 135 degrees. Look at the waves carefully, does it look so ? (I know that the waves are not coming always exactly from the same angle of the true wind, but in the video it looks like 25-30 degrees of difference. that's way too much, something is weird..)
The video says 16 knots boat speed @ 23 knots wind speed, let's say TWS. I do believe it. I have never had the chance to use a spi on a cat though so I could be wrong but I believe the video shows 125 TWA, which then translate in 19.2 knots AWS @ 80 AWA. Having the AWA < 90 is IMO the only way to pull that massive boat at such speed. I don't think it would work pushing the boat at AWA > 90.

If I may correct Yeloya using 16 knots instead of 18, but keeping his 110 AWA, that would make 152 TWA, and especially 11.5 knots AWS. Which I believe would not push the boat at 16 knots. Also 152 TWA does not seem correct looking at the waves angle to the boat.

Also, some called this big nylon sail a gennaker ? I see a big flat and rather symetric assy... The gennakers I have used on lagoon cats are much smaller, flatter, on a furler, and made of dacron.
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