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Old 21-11-2013, 19:13   #76
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[QUOTE="TheNomadTrip;1397034"] I'm not ruling it out, but there are a number of better equipped boats for pretty darn cheap if I'm willing to do something in another country. See my recent post for boats I'm looking at. Those boats are 80-90% ready for a bluewater cruise. Joy may be 50%. There's a cost to my time, my stress, and the repairs.[/QUOTE

I understand what your saying, but in my experience better to buy the boat less well equipped and do the installations yourself rather than buying the fully equipped boat. At least you know what you have and also understand the installation.
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Old 21-11-2013, 19:18   #77
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I understand what your saying, but in my experience better to buy the boat less well equipped and do the installations yourself rather than buying the fully equipped boat. At least you know what you have and also understand the installation.
Fair enough. But if the boat has been outfitted by a good/great sailor, it'll probably be better appointed than I'll be able to do.

I'm glad you pointed that out though, it's definitely a good point, and Joy is worthy of consideration if I'm willing to put in some work. Honestly, I would feel a little guilty if I needed to get tough in the negotiations (knowing their story).
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I just looked at Joy again. I hate to say this, but I wouldn't ever pay $165K (or anything near that) for a 1993 boat without any electronics, in Panama. Ever.

In one of the links above there's a 42' TPI for that. In my mind it's a better boat and it doesn't need an entire set of electronics. S/V Joy isn't an option.
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Old 22-11-2013, 02:22   #79
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I just looked at Joy again. I hate to say this, but I wouldn't ever pay $165K (or anything near that) for a 1993 boat without any electronics, in Panama. Ever.

In one of the links above there's a 42' TPI for that. In my mind it's a better boat and it doesn't need an entire set of electronics. S/V Joy isn't an option.
Makes me wonder if they had insurance or not. Their price has dropped closer to our budgeted max so I emailed the owner of Joy told him this ,asked what exactly was damaged in the strike, and if a surveyor was or adjuster had inspected it as their site isnt clear on the damage other than most electrical items are crossed off. And the owners have yet to respond to me from over a week ago.
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So I've had a couple of boats come to the forefront:

An older Privilege 39' (posted on the forum here too): 1992 Privilege Catamaran Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

And a 42' Lagoon TPI, here: LAGOON 42 - San marlot - San Marlot

Honestly, I'd prefer to wait a couple of months, and I know it'll be a PITA getting them surveyed, hauled, and outfitted in Mexico. Anybody have thoughts on these boats?
Have a good if not surveyor, both boat models have a propensity for window and hatch leaks which on both models leads to bigger issues. Also anywhere there is deck hardware if not resealed every so many years will have more issues. Looked at a TPI this year of same era and it had rotted balsa on deck in multiple areas.
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Makes me wonder if they had insurance or not. Their price has dropped closer to our budgeted max so I emailed the owner of Joy told him this ,asked what exactly was damaged in the strike, and if a surveyor was or adjuster had inspected it as their site isnt clear on the damage other than most electrical items are crossed off. And the owners have yet to respond to me from over a week ago.
They listed it.
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Go figure, if you took out the brokers cut, that would well have been within our budget. One of these same year sold in kw a month ago for 120k. And it had not been hit ny lightning but needed other work.
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Talk about a project. I'd consider it, but it would be a **** to refit all electronics (in Panama especially). I don't even know where to start.

Anybody have thoughts on how much it would take to refit that boat with ALL NEW electronics? Including labor?
Panama is not a third-world country. Everything is available there with major dealers for Furuno, Raymarine, Simrad, etc, as well as any electrical items you need. Large major hardware stores, shopping malls, etc. Great industrial places to get motors rewound, all types of welding, hydraulic work, etc. Marine Warehouse (think West Marine) has a large operation with 2 stores there. Or order everything you need from US suppliers (there is internet in Panama) and ship it in ocean cargo (very cheap, but takes 3 weeks).

Or just bring a big box of gear down with you when you pick up the boat.

Unless you are coming from a major US marine and commercial traffic center, you won't find many places in the US that can compete with Panama for convenience, capabilities or access. The US prices for marine electronics are better, but the Panama prices for welding, hydraulics, autoelectrics, heating/cooling, etc are way better than the US - and you can walk into any of these places and get things done while you wait.

If you don't want to install stuff yourself, there are highly trained people there. These guys are working on the commercial ships also. But installing new NMEA2000 gear and simple 12V electrics is child's play - you can do it.

We took a lightning strike in Panama that took out pretty much every system on the boat. It cost us ~$30K for an extensive refit with many higher-end electronics. I would estimate a good, more basic refit of nav electronics and basic electrics (inverter, charger, etc) as $10-15K.

I installed everything myself and did it in a week total - including pulling out all the old nmea0183 stuff and equipment, installing a N2K network and equipment and the same with much electrics.

The above isn't a comment on the suitability of the boat in Panama - just comments on getting things done in Panama.

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Old 22-11-2013, 21:12   #84
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We took a lightning strike in Panama that took out pretty much every system on the boat. It cost us ~$30K for an extensive refit with many higher-end electronics. I would estimate a good, more basic refit of nav electronics and basic electrics (inverter, charger, etc) as $10-15K.

I installed everything myself and did it in a week total - including pulling out all the old nmea0183 stuff and equipment, installing a N2K network and equipment and the same with much electrics.

The above isn't a comment on the suitability of the boat in Panama - just comments on getting things done in Panama.

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Good info, much appreciated.
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baobabmarine.com in Fiji has a listing for a wildcat. needs some maintenance, heck you could be in the islands and fixing her up!
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Have a look at Dufour Nautitech's - 395/40/44 etc - steer clear of ex charter boats however!
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I just looked at Joy again. I hate to say this, but I wouldn't ever pay $165K (or anything near that) for a 1993 boat without any electronics, in Panama. Ever.

In one of the links above there's a 42' TPI for that. In my mind it's a better boat and it doesn't need an entire set of electronics. S/V Joy isn't an option.
Besides electronics, what else could need to be fixed after a lightning strike?

Would it generate problems on rigging?
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Have a look at Dufour Nautitech's - 395/40/44 etc - steer clear of ex charter boats however!
Steer clear of ex charter Nautitech's or just in general? Why is this such a common blanket statement?
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Besides electronics, what else could need to be fixed after a lightning strike?

Would it generate problems on rigging?
Electrics also go bad - we lost batteries and alternators, as well as a solenoid, windlass motor and a few other stuff. I suspect a breaker or two are weaker than before since they trip just below their rating now.

Electrical wiring can melt. Holes are often blown through the hull itself, and thruhulls can be damaged or blown out. And yes, rigging could also be effected, but probably less so. I could imagine swages cracking or wire strands weakening.

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Electrics also go bad - we lost batteries and alternators, as well as a solenoid, windlass motor and a few other stuff. I suspect a breaker or two are weaker than before since they trip just below their rating now.

Electrical wiring can melt. Holes are often blown through the hull itself, and thruhulls can be damaged or blown out. And yes, rigging could also be effected, but probably less so. I could imagine swages cracking or wire strands weakening.

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Thanks Mark, your msg is really comprehensive and makes it clear what it would take to refit a boat stricken by lightening. Specially the mention to "holes often blown through the hull itself" makes me feel that a boat stricken by lightening would be a much bigger headache than installing new electronics/electrics.

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