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Old 19-05-2008, 12:37   #61
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I haven't seen it addressed, so I'll add that Multi's retain a higer percentage of their value than simlarly equipped Mono's (and that gulf is only likely to become even more pronounced as Multi's become more popular thus depressing Mono values even furthur)

Another boat make to add to your list is Nautitech. They're well made and within your optimal price range.
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That sounds like a pretty blanket statement. I'm sure that's true for some multis vs. some monos, but not others. Pro-multi people are often quick to beg off comparisons between "early" multis (i.e., 1970s, some 80s) and monos of similar or modern vintage, pricisely because there were multihull design and build issues during that era. I'm sure the value of those multihulls HASN'T held up.
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That sounds like a pretty blanket statement. I'm sure that's true for some multis vs. some monos, but not others. Pro-multi people are often quick to beg off comparisons between "early" multis (i.e., 1970s, some 80s) and monos of similar or modern vintage, pricisely because there were multihull design and build issues during that era. I'm sure the value of those multihulls HASN'T held up.

That's very true. Many of the pre-90's multi's are worthless, for all intents and purposes. I definitely should have better clarified 'newer well designed boats' of the type the OP is seeking. Thanx for clarifying!
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No worries, mate! I apologize for starting you out on the forum with that response! I noticed after I posted that you are a newbie.

Lively discussion, here.

Welcome aboard!
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Old 19-05-2008, 13:11   #64
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No worries, mate! I apologize for starting you out on the forum with that response! I noticed after I posted that you are a newbie.

Lively discussion, here.

Welcome aboard!

LOL...No worries. I sail pretty well to weather... LOL

Thanx for the welcome!!! I've been a lurker for a bit now...
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Having bought and sold a multi, I'd say all boats are loosers from an investment point of view. The only time I heard of people really making money on a used multi was in the rare occurance where currency devalued and drove new costs way up (or you could say a really strong USD had made it very inexpensive to buy for americans to buy abroad) and the value of real estate and other investments owned by many people doubled in 5 years making lots of cheap money available. At that point, someone who bought a new PDQ 42 for 350k say in 2000 when the dollar was extremely strong, could then turn around and sell it for 400k in 2004 when the new price for the boat had gone up to 600k. Now, your looking at the opposite, really weak exchange rates making boats very expensive (from a USD point of view) effectively doubling the costs and housing values and stocks dropping making banks very stingy with home equity loans. Maybe something like a really strongly desired boat, with huge wait times and unique technology like retractable electric drives or carbon fiber/kevlar hulls, could create a pent up demand and you could sell the boats for the same price you bought them for. Most multis though have lots of ex charter boats coming onto the market and the charter companies need to move them quickly (they are business people without an emotional attachment, the boats made it's money and now it's time to move on), so the boats drop by 40% in about 5 years. I think that as multis become more expensive relative to what they were, companies will have to cram as many people into as small a foot print as possible to be economically viable. So you'll see the boats move apart in terms of what an owner would want and what a charter company would wish. Performance, off shore safety items like reserve bouyancy, storage, longevity of components will be traded maximum guest comfort. A faster boat in the minds of a charter operation means it's more likely to flip or get damaged at higher speeds. Boats will get heavier, but more spacious. More like hotels than houses.
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I haven't seen it addressed, so I'll add that Multi's retain a higer percentage of their value than simlarly equipped Mono's (and that gulf is only likely to become even more pronounced as Multi's become more popular thus depressing Mono values even furthur)
Time will tell if that's the case. In the current recession we're seeing the prices of mono's dropping while multi's seem to hold their own. In Europe we should see the popularity of multi's going up, which could have a negative impact on mono's ... still ... I wouldn't bet my money on it. I agree with Schoonerdog that any gains most people make would be due to currency fluctuations.
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I have actually just bought a boat. I bought a FastCat 435. So my choice is made: a multihull.
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I have actually just bought a boat. I bought a FastCat 435. So my choice is made: a multihull.

Congrats on the new purchase! I've heard nothing but fantastic things about the FastCats!
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Congrats on the new purchase! I've heard nothing but fantastic things about the FastCats!

Have you heard this from someone who doesn't build and sell them??

There doesn't seem to be much in the way of reliable testimonials on the web..

An ode to the power of persistence maybe? (there are only 4 or 5 made over 4 years as far as I can see)


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Time will tell if that's the case. In the current recession we're seeing the prices of mono's dropping while multi's seem to hold their own. In Europe we should see the popularity of multi's going up, which could have a negative impact on mono's ... still ... I wouldn't bet my money on it. I agree with Schoonerdog that any gains most people make would be due to currency fluctuations.
I have actually just bought a boat. I bought a FastCat 435. So my choice is made: a multihull.
Congratulations! Enjoy!
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Have you heard this from someone who doesn't build and sell them??

There doesn't seem to be much in the way of reliable testimonials on the web..

An ode to the power of persistence maybe? (there are only 4 or 5 made over 4 years as far as I can see)


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Making a cat or for that matter any product perfect takes time and that is what we do , build perfect cats and any way we can improve we will do.
Our customers are happy with the way we go about it and are even willing to wait for up to 3 years . Hull number one had a weight of almost 8000 kilo and hull number 4 only weights 5800 and that includes 800 kilo,s of options

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