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Old 02-04-2016, 07:25   #751
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Re: Modernizing a Prout Elite 37ft

This is getting highly serious and technical and and complex. The jig is up, Atoll! Very nice. Advanced skills!
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Old 02-04-2016, 10:16   #752
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This is getting highly serious and technical and and complex. The jig is up, Atoll! Very nice. Advanced skills!
thanks,nearly done now, on the last door frame

then hopefully in a couple of weeks it will be warm enough so I can go back to my favourite pass time of bodging with the itchy and scratchy stuff
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Re: Modernizing a Prout Elite 37ft

How do you keep the stock in place in the jig while routing it? I switched to using a template and put a guide bushing on the router and a straight spiral bit.
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How do you keep the stock in place in the jig while routing it? I switched to using a template and put a guide bushing on the router and a straight spiral bit.
with the double sided jig I use a panel pin tapped in, in the center of the MDF with the head proud, that I remove when I turn it over,and then put a pin in the other side.(1st photo)

with the box jig I use double sided sticky tape and briefly clamp the piece to ensure it sticks well.(2nd photo)

then a spacer stuck on top,before putting the template on top and clamping that.(3rd photo)

the piece is also held in place with 2 bits of radiused MDF held in with the clamp as seen in picture 2.
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Re: Modernizing a Prout Elite 37ft

yes I looked back and see the pinholes now. Also see the guide bushing in the router
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yes I looked back and see the pinholes now. Also see the guide bushing in the router
I started off using just a single template,with 2x 30mm router bits that had alternate bearings,one with bearing top,the other bottom and changing bits for either side of the radius,but found I got a lot of chip out.

now with the 50mm bit in the photo it is a lot quicker and more accurate with no chip out,and the pinholes disappear with a bit of filler and the stained varnish I'm using.
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I started off using just a single template,with 2x 30mm router bits that had alternate bearings,one with bearing top,the other bottom and changing bits for either side of the radius,but found I got a lot of chip out.

now with the 50mm bit in the photo it is a lot quicker and more accurate with no chip out,and the pinholes disappear with a bit of filler and the stained varnish I'm using.
I tested with a downspiral bit and some sacrificial material under the stock and this worked very good. Unfortunately I had already finished the project with so-so results but they are invisible after assembly so no issue

I also broke a spiral bit which is not so nice as they are 100% carbide...
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I tested with a downspiral bit and some sacrificial material under the stock and this worked very good. Unfortunately I had already finished the project with so-so results but they are invisible after assembly so no issue

I also broke a spiral bit which is not so nice as they are 100% carbide...
ouch! an expensive bit to break,and stressfull on the underpants

but looks like a useful bit to have for plunge cuts,a spiral bit would probably be great to have if I were doing lots of inside edge rebates on radiused corners
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ouch! an expensive bit to break,and stressfull on the underpants

but looks like a useful bit to have for plunge cuts,a spiral bit would probably be great to have if I were doing lots of inside edge rebates on radiused corners
The bit broke when my pattern guide bushing came apart. I used a bushing from Bosch which is made from two parts and they came apart. I then switched to bushings made from one piece... the whole set was cheaper than the bit I broke :-S

Here is the set I bought from Porter Cable; they work great but I needed an adapter from Bosch to fit them: http://www.amazon.com/PORTER-CABLE-4...ilpage_o01_s00
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The bit broke when my pattern guide bushing came apart. I used a bushing from Bosch which is made from two parts and they came apart. I then switched to bushings made from one piece... the whole set was cheaper than the bit I broke :-S

Here is the set I bought from Porter Cable; they work great but I needed an adapter from Bosch to fit them: PORTER-CABLE 42000 9-Piece Template Guide Kit - Power Router Accessories - Amazon.com
at $50 for a 10mm spiral bit you would want to be doing a lot of rebates for it to pay for itself!

at the moment I am getting good results with a $5 10mm strait bit,and just doing 3-4 steps,which is what they recommend with a 10mm spiral bit if doing a rebate of 20mm deep.

next month the car boot sales start again in the uk which are a great source for cheap tools,i will keep my eye out for one,as these are just the type of kit you find at a fraction of the cost.
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Re: Modernizing a Prout Elite 37ft

Exactly. Note that there are two kinds: up-spiral and down-spiral. The up-spiral is good for getting the wood chips out but the down-spiral prevents tear-out at the top of the piece you work on.

I had trouble with plunge-down for big mortices with a regular bit as they don't really cut downwards and that works effortless with a spiral bit With a guide bushing and a hole pattern jig, this also works great for cutting holes in sides of cabinets for those pins that hold up shelves, as up-spiral bits (drill bits) never leave a good looking hole. I believe there are special bits for it though...

Just thought to give you another reason for one
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Re: Modernizing a Prout Elite 37ft

This translates to voodoo magic for me.... Crazy what you guys are capable of doing ! Bravo !

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Re: Modernizing a Prout Elite 37ft

finished varnishing the frames I installed for the doors and trims on the hatches and lockers very happy with the results.

then started on the locker in the port shower/head,will do the starboard side locker that is more or less identical next week.
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Excellent joinery Atoll.. Kudo's..
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that's just a work in progress,as the 220v and 12 volt wiring go behind the removable panel that covers the toerail bolts,so no exposed wiring once it is done,
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