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Old 28-04-2015, 04:30   #316
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Into wind in any sort of sea they slam like a SOB - in for F6 with quite big seas the factory tabbing on my heads sink pod broke away we were slamming so much - she is 40 years old to be fair but Prouts do slam - which is a shame as they're also able to point up more than many cats - my 35 will go ok at 45 degrees but as a cruising boat we just avoid upwind sailing...
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hopefully my use of epoxy on a lot of the tabbing will avoid this.

I have heard of this issue before with the prouts of polyester/grp tabbing coming unglued ,mainly in the bow area where I guess there is a lot of flex in the hulls.

I have also used quite a bit of expanded PU foam to stiffen up the nacelle under the saloon floor and fwd cabin bunk between the crossmembers and in the voids which should at least dampen some of the noise.
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Old 28-04-2015, 04:50   #317
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What self respecting sailor wants to go to windward anyway?

Brilliant job you're doing, you must be set on keeping this one, the standard of work is really high, if you were going to sell you could get away with a lot less.
best of luck and fair winds.
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having learnt the hard way,building 6 other boats,2 of which I circumnavigated .....if you are going to build something, it pays to do it right the first time, using the correct materials,to the best of your ability.

this build is quite challenging as on a monohull the tendancy is to over build critical structure,adding lots of grp laminate,and heavy fastners etc

on a cat the challenge is to use the minimum weight of material,but still create a robust skeleton which can be time consuming when using epoxy.
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Old 28-04-2015, 08:24   #318
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Re: Modernizing a Prout Elite 37ft

Looking at your steering setup in that picture, I think you need a Hydraulic ram as a replacement. I know where you can get one cheap.
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Re: Modernizing a Prout Elite 37ft

How too much work can make you feel............

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Looking at your steering setup in that picture, I think you need a Hydraulic ram as a replacement. I know where you can get one cheap.
I have an old tiller to swap...............
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How too much work can make you feel............

that's just about the position I have been working in whilst laminating the chain plate reinforcements behind the bulkhead,under the coach roof,getting rained on with resin dripping off my elbows
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That's a bit I'm NOT looking forward to. The OB of my tri completed the decks without adding in reinforcements for anything, anywhere....

....suspect he hadn't decided where to put them yet.

As I don't like the re-curved decks I intend to remove them and start again, so hopefully will be able to avoid the worst of the 'epoxy rain' events.

The reason I asked about the slamming of the pod is I'd heard exactly what Snowgoose said, that they slam to buggery upwind, as do all of the low-bridgedeck-height cats.

It's a shame really, but the trade-off is greater/lesser windage on a beam reach and when manouvering at slow speed.

So the latest high-clearance cats are a bugger in a crosswind and to dock, and look like a floating condo, whereas the Prouts have a much sleeker, more 'yacht-like' profile and are easier to manouver in the marina.

You makes your choices.....
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That's a bit I'm NOT looking forward to. The OB of my tri completed the decks without adding in reinforcements for anything, anywhere....

....suspect he hadn't decided where to put them yet.

As I don't like the re-curved decks I intend to remove them and start again, so hopefully will be able to avoid the worst of the 'epoxy rain' events.

The reason I asked about the slamming of the pod is I'd heard exactly what Snowgoose said, that they slam to buggery upwind, as do all of the low-bridgedeck-height cats.

It's a shame really, but the trade-off is greater/lesser windage on a beam reach and when manouvering at slow speed.

So the latest high-clearance cats are a bugger in a crosswind and to dock, and look like a floating condo, whereas the Prouts have a much sleeker, more 'yacht-like' profile and are easier to manouver in the marina.

You makes your choices.....
there is a little trick to not getting rained on too much when doing over head laminating ......

trick is to lay out the cloth on a bit of plastic sheeting next to where you are working and roll on the resin till saturated THEN lift it into place .

makes life a lot easier than trying to saturate dry cloth on an overhead surface with the resulting drips

edit if doing a big bit you can roll it into a tube as well wet then get one end started and gradually unroll it as it sticks,a bit messy when wet but beats getting rained in
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Re: Modernizing a Prout Elite 37ft

Tube sounds like a good idea, but messy yeah. Try lay it on a slightly oversize piece of clear plastic and put the whole mess in place, roll it out with a dry roller and remove the plastic later. Mm I miss the smell of epoxy in the morning...not..
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Re: Modernizing a Prout Elite 37ft

Atoll your going to a bit of effort to make the lightest Prout elite ever. Wondering how much of a weight nazi your going to be when the wife and kids want to bring stuff aboard "2 pairs of shoes??. What the hell do you want 2 pairs for when you can only wear 1????"
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Tube sounds like a good idea, but messy yeah. Try lay it on a slightly oversize piece of clear plastic and put the whole mess in place, roll it out with a dry roller and remove the plastic later. Mm I miss the smell of epoxy in the morning...not..
I am using some fairly heavy stitched bi-axial cloth for the chain plate pads so it is pretty easy to work without it coming apart but might have to use that technique when I do the back stays which are in the aft watertight compartments with only a 50x50cm hole to work through
should really have done them before putting in the bulkheads
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. What the hell do you want 2 pairs for when you can only wear 1????"
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Re: Modernizing a Prout Elite 37ft

Sounds like fun. Your using epoxy aren't you? No worries about surface bloom I guess so you can lay up additional layers without sanding between drying? Laying up in confined spaces is messy and stinky, but sanding...ughhh
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Atoll your going to a bit of effort to make the lightest Prout elite ever. Wondering how much of a weight nazi your going to be when the wife and kids want to bring stuff aboard "2 pairs of shoes??. What the hell do you want 2 pairs for when you can only wear 1????"

shoes????????.......luxury........ bare feet on board,or flip flops if going into town
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