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Old 05-07-2008, 15:45   #16
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Hello Gideon. Been away from the forum for a while and noticed Butterfly is completed. Does this one have the green motion or diesel engines? What is the weight? Thanks

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wrong post..... butterfly is a 435. Waiting for answer from Gideon.
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Old 06-07-2008, 00:34   #17
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Hello Gideon. Been away from the forum for a while and noticed Butterfly is completed. Does this one have the green motion or diesel engines? What is the weight? Thanks
Hallo Blue Skye

The weight is 5800 kilo when she was lifted into the water without the rig
This cat has lots of options like airco, heating, solar panels, hard top bimini about 700 kilo,s worth including 40 hp engines a 4000 watt inverter charger, dishwasher etcReady to sail weight is 6400 kilo,s including water and diesel
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Old 06-07-2008, 05:31   #18
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What´s the weight of the competitors in same size?

F-P
Lagoon
Nautitech
Outremer
Freydis

The Butterfly is 455?
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F-P Orana 44= 8000 kilo
Lagoon 440 = 12150 kilo
Nautitech 47= 11200 kilo
Outremer 45= 7000 kilo
Freydis 49= 6500 kilo bare boat
FastCat 455 = 5800 kilo
Leopard 46 = 11000 kilo
Catana 471 = 10000 kilo


The Buttterfly is actually a crossover , it has the extended bow but not the stern so in fact she would be a 445 in lenght , the 455 will gain 50 kilo,s in weight over the Butterfly
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Old 06-07-2008, 15:09   #20
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F-P Orana 44= 8000 kilo
Lagoon 440 = 12150 kilo
Nautitech 47= 11200 kilo
Outremer 45= 7000 kilo
Freydis 49= 6500 kilo bare boat
FastCat 455 = 5800 kilo
Leopard 46 = 11000 kilo
Catana 471 = 10000 kilo


The Buttterfly is actually a crossover , it has the extended bow but not the stern so in fact she would be a 445 in lenght , the 455 will gain 50 kilo,s in weight over the Butterfly
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And the same compared with sailarea?
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And the same compared with sailarea?
I am sure you can all look it up on the Internet , that is where I found all the weights of these boats . I am just to busy with other work to find all this info
The FastCat 455 carries 120 squire meter of sail for a weight of 6 tons or 1 to 20
the New Catana 50 is 1 to 8 I just found out
I recall a Thread from mamo that included all these things of many boats

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ats-14686.html

the sail area and the weight of the FastCat 455 was not correct but these you know now

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You would be surprised at the difference in 15 knots, and 13 1/2 knots. You can go from the bottom pounding to just the thrill of sailing with all the familiar sounds, and feelings.

I did 4000 miles in a 4 knot boat, and got nasty weather. When others doing 6 knots had made another anchorage while I suffered. Now on many 4-500 mile trips I am doing 10 knots in complete comfort. While others in the same weather are rolling, and hunkered down. I have a cup of coffee on the roof up against a winch.

Once you get a taste of this if you had had a taste of 4 knots. You will never go back. There
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You would be surprised at the difference in 15 knots, and 13 1/2 knots. You can go from the bottom pounding to just the thrill of sailing with all the familiar sounds, and feelings.

I did 4000 miles in a 4 knot boat, and got nasty weather. When others doing 6 knots had made another anchorage while I suffered. Now on many 4-500 mile trips I am doing 10 knots in complete comfort. While others in the same weather are rolling, and hunkered down. I have a cup of coffee on the roof up against a winch.

Once you get a taste of this if you had had a taste of 4 knots. You will never go back. There are several lifetimes sailors that have cruised, and day sailed with me. That look at my boat much differently before they sailed on her.
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There are several lifetimes sailors that have cruised, and day sailed with me. That look at my boat much differently before they sailed on her.
Seems common to me.
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What´s the weight of the competitors in same size?

F-P
Lagoon
Nautitech
Outremer
Freydis

The Butterfly is 455?
I sugest thatr you don't get a nautitech be cause of the steering position it is a saftey hazard i believe.
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Hi Joakim,

I can only pitch in and support what was said about the FastCat. I just bought one and I plan to sail in the same area you plan to. Before I head to warmer climates I'll spend a year in Norway to get properly aquainted with the boat. I've been living on the boat for a month now in the Netherlands and I really think it's perfect (for my use and for what I was looking for). You can read more about how I ended up with a FastCat in the following thread: http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...-cat-7846.html

The only thing I don't have on your list is a washing machine and a surfboard, neither would be difficult to get onboard if you so desired.
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I sugest thatr you don't get a nautitech be cause of the steering position it is a saftey hazard i believe.
The Butterfly is a crossover , it has the extended bow but not the sugar scoops so it is in fact a 445.
The weights of the others are below

F-P Orana 44= 8000 kilo
Lagoon 440 = 12150 kilo
Nautitech 47= 11200 kilo
Outremer 45= 7000 kilo
Freydis 49= 6500 kilo bare boat
FastCat 455 = 5800 kilo
Leopard 46 = 11000 kilo
Catana 471 = 10000 kilo
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F-P Orana 44= 8000 kilo
Lagoon 440 = 12150 kilo
Nautitech 47= 11200 kilo
Outremer 45= 7000 kilo
Freydis 49= 6500 kilo bare boat
FastCat 455 = 5800 kilo
Leopard 46 = 11000 kilo
Catana 471 = 10000 kilo


The Buttterfly is actually a crossover , it has the extended bow but not the stern so in fact she would be a 445 in lenght , the 455 will gain 50 kilo,s in weight over the Butterfly
Hi Gideon,

You quoted Orana as 8.000 kg. That was what I thought when I ordered it. I had posted here my first sailing impressions and said that she felt much heavier than this. I checked again the specs in FP web site, it is now quoted as 9.800 kg !!!! the rigging being exactly the same. I made couple of question to FP to understand where from this extra 23% was coming, no answer.

Anyway, she still sails pretty well (11-12 knts SOG, with double reef on the main) and comfortable if the winds is around 25-28 knots. I have seen up to 40 knt, very stable and safe..
Below 20 kns is very slow, after 15 you better start motoring..
It's interesting , because Fp's are believed to be "lightly built" , this is not the case for Orana. Secondly, I wonder how a company could add extra 1.800 kg material free !!! (despite the increase in oil prices, there is no price increases in FP) i
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