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Old 19-10-2019, 11:22   #1
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Looking for info on Seawind 1260

Dear All,
Considering a Seawind 1260 for a Circumnavigation, there will be a lot of heavy options, as I still work and need a"decent" office.

Upgraded engines
Generator
Heater
Aircon
Plenty of stuff (electrical, marine scooter, windsurf ...)
etc ...

I know lighter is better ... but I need my stuff

The owner's manual indicates 3.3 t of load capacity (as well as for the 1250)
Displacement is 8.2 t

Leaving in Indian Ocean, for sure I will first navigate there, but doing mostly upwind and downwind with big waves and sometimes heavy wind.

1/ How does this nice Cat behaves, with 2.5 t of stuff upwind ?
2/ Which speed heavy loaded with 20 knots of wind upwind ? 38 ?

Any owner with 1250 or 1260 which has used it in heavy wind (+40 knots)
Which sail ?

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Old 13-11-2019, 15:58   #2
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Re: Looking for info on Seawind 1260

Hi Tobern,

I bought a 2014 1250 last year. She has all the fruit you mention (genset, aircon, dive compressor, toys, lots of toys). Fully loaded, she weighs 12t (just had her lifted and confirmed the weight). Not much black showing above the waterline!

We're really pleased with her, especially coming from a FP Lipari. Build quality, strength and component quality are all in another league in my opinion.

The best part about the 1250 is how well she sails. She loves a headwind. If the sea state is calm in 20kts TWS (i.e. offshore conditions) she will do 9kts. We don't push her so hard if it's rough just for comfort, but 7kts is easily done. Honestly, this boat is a champ upwind, especially with the self tacking jib.

We have had her in sustained 40kt+ winds (off shore and beam reach). We maintained a 12-14kt speed with 3 reefs in main + jib. The boat hummed but didn't feel over powered or dangerous.

We've been through some rough conditions (notorious west coast of Australia) and the 1250 laps it up. Although any modern production cat should also be fine these days.

Down wind with the genoa or screecher up is just pure fun. With the screecher up, she will loosely match the AWS (so 6-7kts AWS at 120 degrees, you should expect to see 6kts).

The 1260 fixes all my annoyances with the 1250, so I'd say you can't go wrong with it. Feel free to throw more queries my way.

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Old 13-11-2019, 19:35   #3
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Hi Tobern,

I bought a 2014 1250 last year. She has all the fruit you mention (genset, aircon, dive compressor, toys, lots of toys). Fully loaded, she weighs 12t (just had her lifted and confirmed the weight). Not much black showing above the waterline!

We're really pleased with her, especially coming from a FP Lipari. Build quality, strength and component quality are all in another league in my opinion.

The best part about the 1250 is how well she sails. She loves a headwind. If the sea state is calm in 20kts TWS (i.e. offshore conditions) she will do 9kts. We don't push her so hard if it's rough just for comfort, but 7kts is easily done. Honestly, this boat is a champ upwind, especially with the self tacking jib.

We have had her in sustained 40kt+ winds (off shore and beam reach). We maintained a 12-14kt speed with 3 reefs in main + jib. The boat hummed but didn't feel over powered or dangerous.

We've been through some rough conditions (notorious west coast of Australia) and the 1250 laps it up. Although any modern production cat should also be fine these days.

Down wind with the genoa or screecher up is just pure fun. With the screecher up, she will loosely match the AWS (so 6-7kts AWS at 120 degrees, you should expect to see 6kts).

The 1260 fixes all my annoyances with the 1250, so I'd say you can't go wrong with it. Feel free to throw more queries my way.

Cheers,

Selkie
Curious on specifics with last paragraph? I really like the Seawinds and like you currently have an FP (Mahe), so interested to hear what the benefits are to a 1260 over the 1250.
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Old 13-11-2019, 23:07   #4
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Re: Looking for info on Seawind 1260

My annoyances with the 1250 are limited and the differences between a 1260 and 1250 are very small. They are virtually the same boat, but the 1260 has a few refinements.

- Cockpit area on the 1260 is more comfortable and better suited for lounging around at anchor. On the 1250, it is more orientated to sailing. We bought bean bags for the cockpit which works for us when at anchor.
- The tri-fold door has been made lighter. It's very heavy on the 1250.
- The freezer is much improved on the 1260. The 1250 has an annoying fold out freezer door system that is heavy and tedious to use.

All very minor issues really.
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Re: Looking for info on Seawind 1260

Are they the same hulls, keels and sailplan? From What I gather the 1260 is just minor mostly cosmetic tweaking of the original design.
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My annoyances with the 1250 are limited and the differences between a 1260 and 1250 are very small. They are virtually the same boat, but the 1260 has a few refinements.

- Cockpit area on the 1260 is more comfortable and better suited for lounging around at anchor. On the 1250, it is more orientated to sailing. We bought bean bags for the cockpit which works for us when at anchor.
- The tri-fold door has been made lighter. It's very heavy on the 1250.
- The freezer is much improved on the 1260. The 1250 has an annoying fold out freezer door system that is heavy and tedious to use.

All very minor issues really.
Thanks. Some things like the door you can only really figure out by having used it, so that's helpful.
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Old 14-11-2019, 08:54   #7
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My annoyances with the 1250 are limited and the differences between a 1260 and 1250 are very small. They are virtually the same boat, but the 1260 has a few refinements.

- Cockpit area on the 1260 is more comfortable and better suited for lounging around at anchor. On the 1250, it is more orientated to sailing. We bought bean bags for the cockpit which works for us when at anchor.
- The tri-fold door has been made lighter. It's very heavy on the 1250.
- The freezer is much improved on the 1260. The 1250 has an annoying fold out freezer door system that is heavy and tedious to use.

All very minor issues really.
Thank you - These are the little things that are hard to figure out without direct experience.
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Old 14-11-2019, 15:28   #8
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Are they the same hulls, keels and sailplan? From What I gather the 1260 is just minor mostly cosmetic tweaking of the original design.
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Yes - as far as I know, they are the same hulls, keels and sail plan. The most obvious differences are in the cockpit area. Other than that, you would think you're on a 1250. Minor changes I noticed while recently looking at a 1260 in the marina include slightly improved aesthetics, use of latest gear/fittings (e.g. recessed hatches that are flush with hull/deck) and more enclosed sugar scoops.
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Old 26-11-2019, 10:38   #9
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Re: Looking for info on Seawind 1260

Tks for all the input.
Question :
It seems the chain is 8mm. Seems strange for a 12t boat.
Some friends broke their 10mm chain in the chagos with a 10t monohull and are using now 12mm.

Do you still have 8mm ?
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Old 26-11-2019, 17:42   #10
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We upgraded to 10mm chain and upgraded the anchor to a 25kg Rocna, as well as a medium Mantus Catamaran Bridle, resulting in solid holding and worry free nights. I have been told by other Seawind owners that 8mm is fine, but I'm sceptical and prefer to err on the side of caution.

Regarding your friend's 10mm chain, I can only hypothesise that it was of poor quality or old. 10mm chain on that size boat should not snap - I'd expect the bridle to snap, or something on the boat to break well before the chain does.

On a cat, weight makes a massive difference to sailing performance when compared to a mono. If you put any larger chain than 10mm on a 40-45ft cat, it will be nose heavy and not sail as well (assuming you get 50+ metres). We put 80m of 10mm chain on or Seawind 1250 and that is perhaps too much.
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Re: Looking for info on Seawind 1260

We sailed from Southport to New Caledonia earlier this year, there was a Seawind 1260 which sailed across at the same time. It suffered some structural problems on the passage which I think could be attributed to its light weight build. Id do some more research before committing especially if you want to load it up.
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Old 26-11-2019, 22:08   #12
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I also heard about that through someone else, although they didn't know any of the details either. I would like to know more about the circumstances behind this. Both the 1250 and 1260 are well built bluewater cruisers so I can only guess that this was due to poor rigging (e.g. local commissioning) or user error.
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The damage was definitely structural, beyond any commissioning or user error.
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I'd like to know the circumstances and what Seawind did about it.
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