Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 17-09-2014, 17:18   #31
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: between the devil and the deep blue sea
Boat: a sailing boat
Posts: 17,314
Re: Lagoon Cat smashed in Thailand

Argh! I stand corrected. I see you guys differentiate between piercing and a more serious damage of the skin.

OK.

If no catastrophic structural failure in the laminated panels, then why did this boat disintegrate in such a shameful manner?

b.
__________________

__________________
barnakiel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-09-2014, 18:13   #32
Marine Service Provider

Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Virgin Islands
Boat: 1999 Leopard 45, 45 foot cat, 1980 Hunter 33, 33 foot monohull
Posts: 405
Re: Lagoon Cat smashed in Thailand

FWIW, this Lagoon doesn't have a flybridge. It's very definitely an earlier model, which would include the 380, 410, 470, and 570. Which one of those, I don't know, but you have only to look at the windows to rule out the 440 and newer.
__________________

__________________
contrail is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-09-2014, 21:52   #33
Marine Service Provider
 
Factor's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Brisbane Australia
Boat: Corsair Dash MKII
Posts: 4,084
Re: Lagoon Cat smashed in Thailand

Quote:
Originally Posted by barnakiel View Post
Argh! I stand corrected. I see you guys differentiate between piercing and a more serious damage of the skin.

OK.

If no catastrophic structural failure in the laminated panels, then why did this boat disintegrate in such a shameful manner?

b.
Well there is lamination and there is lamination, there is resin infusion and there is resin infusion. There is layup and there is layup. A properly built vacuum infused monolithic hull moulding should loose little of its strength with a piercing or holing. Certainly it should not cause a catastrophic break up of the vessel. Why this vessel did it, I have no idea, you should perhaps pose that question to the builders of this vessel.
__________________
Factor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-09-2014, 03:16   #34
Moderator Emeritus
 
Ex-Calif's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Singapore
Boat: Maxi 77 - Relax Lah!
Posts: 11,514
Images: 4
Re: Lagoon Cat smashed in Thailand

Well I have a confession to make. This is my boat.

A storm came up. The bridge deck blew off in the 400kt winds but the hulls are still safely in the anchorage attached to my expertly set 10,000# Rocna and awesome 6" link chain...
__________________
Relax Lah! is For Sale <--- Click
Click--> Custom CF Google Search or CF Rules
You're gonna need a bigger boat... - Martin Brody
Ex-Calif is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-09-2014, 03:27   #35
Registered User
 
Rustic Charm's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Tasmania, Australia
Boat: Bieroc 36 foot Ketch
Posts: 4,898
Re: Lagoon Cat smashed in Thailand

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stendecian View Post
Why exactly is this assumed to be a charter boat?



Sent from my iPad using Cruisers Sailing Forum
Because the actual face book page tells us it is!
__________________
Rustic Charm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-09-2014, 04:17   #36
Marine Service Provider

Join Date: May 2013
Location: East Africa
Boat: catalac 10m
Posts: 351
Re: Lagoon Cat smashed in Thailand

Quote:
Originally Posted by smj View Post
I don't see how piercing the outer skin causes the sandwich structure to go quickly, especially if it's a foam core.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

i would advise to visit any larger marina, yacht club with yacht repair facilities, you are bound to see exactly what happens when water seeps into core, foam doesnt stop seeping in, the foam deteriorates as well as not designed to water exposure! The cost to repair is huge as only highly specialized experienced hull repair works.


Sent from my iPad using Cruisers Sailing Forum
__________________
Goosebumps is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-09-2014, 04:20   #37
Marine Service Provider

Join Date: May 2013
Location: East Africa
Boat: catalac 10m
Posts: 351
Re: Lagoon Cat smashed in Thailand

Quote:
Originally Posted by Goosebumps View Post
i would advise to visit any larger marina, yacht club with yacht repair facilities, you are bound to see exactly what happens when water seeps into core, foam doesnt stop seeping in, the foam deteriorates as well as not designed to water exposure! The cost to repair is huge as only highly specialized experienced hull repair works.


Sent from my iPad using Cruisers Sailing Forum

the fact that a simple scratch can cause water seepage is very scary. If you have a yacht you actually use, you will know how easily a scratch can happen, someone visuts you with a hard tender and hits your hull.......


Sent from my iPad using Cruisers Sailing Forum
__________________
Goosebumps is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-09-2014, 04:22   #38
Wayfaring Mariner
 
captain58sailin's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Homer, AK is my home port
Boat: Skookum 53'
Posts: 4,045
Images: 5
Re: Lagoon Cat smashed in Thailand

Shhhh! The ancient cat burial ground has been discovered, this is where cats go to die. Bolstering the myth that cats cannot sink. For those cat owners that have lost their sense of humor since purchasing a cat, this is a JOKE. No Offense Intended.
__________________
" Wisdom; is your reward for surviving your mistakes"
captain58sailin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-09-2014, 05:13   #39
Moderator
 
HappyMdRSailor's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: North Mississippi
Boat: 48 Wauquiez Pilot Saloon-C22 Chrysler Sunpiper- 19 Potter-Preparing to cruise w/my girl
Posts: 5,980
Re: Lagoon Cat smashed in Thailand

Quote:
Originally Posted by smj View Post
This wasn't an accident, someone got sick of the stuffy bridge deck cabin, cut it of and now have a beautiful open bridge deck Lagoon!
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Seriously the best reply... A bridge decked lagoon.... HA !
(no offense Mr. Karma)
__________________
In the harsh marine environment, something is always in need of repair...

Mai Tai's fix everything...
HappyMdRSailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-09-2014, 08:37   #40
smj
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2007
Boat: Searunner 38 catamaran
Posts: 3,654
Re: Lagoon Cat smashed in Thailand

Quote:
Originally Posted by Goosebumps View Post
i would advise to visit any larger marina, yacht club with yacht repair facilities, you are bound to see exactly what happens when water seeps into core, foam doesnt stop seeping in, the foam deteriorates as well as not designed to water exposure! The cost to repair is huge as only highly specialized experienced hull repair works.


Sent from my iPad using Cruisers Sailing Forum

Can't see how a closed cell foam such as Klegecell or Core Cell that has been vacuum bagged is going to deteriorate when exposed to water.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
__________________
smj is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 18-09-2014, 09:07   #41
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Centreville, VA
Boat: Lagoon 410 ELECTRIC!
Posts: 361
Re: Lagoon Cat smashed in Thailand

Based on the winches on the mast and the Hardtop design I'm guessing a 410 probably a 2000.

Steve in Solomons MD
__________________
Hyprdrv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-09-2014, 00:37   #42
Marine Service Provider

Join Date: May 2013
Location: East Africa
Boat: catalac 10m
Posts: 351
Re: Lagoon Cat smashed in Thailand

Quote:
Originally Posted by smj View Post
Can't see how a closed cell foam such as Klegecell or Core Cell that has been vacuum bagged is going to deteriorate when exposed to water.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

ask yourself if these cores are designed for direct exposure to salt water, why do yards replace the core as well when seepage! then the main damage will be caused by large areas inside core area suffering from water seepage try hull! It ends up being so costly some yachts have to be written off


Sent from my iPad using Cruisers Sailing Forum
__________________
Goosebumps is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-09-2014, 02:13   #43
Marine Service Provider
 
Factor's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Brisbane Australia
Boat: Corsair Dash MKII
Posts: 4,084
Re: Lagoon Cat smashed in Thailand

Quote:
Originally Posted by Goosebumps View Post
ask yourself if these cores are designed for direct exposure to salt water, why do yards replace the core as well when seepage! then the main damage will be caused by large areas inside core area suffering from water seepage try hull! It ends up being so costly some yachts have to be written off


Sent from my iPad using Cruisers Sailing Forum
Name them. Look I am sure some have - but not ones built properly.
__________________
Factor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-09-2014, 02:40   #44
Registered User
 
Doodles's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Virginia, USA & Krabi, Thailand
Boat: Wauquiez Pretorien 35; Nordica 16
Posts: 2,810
Images: 1
Re: Lagoon Cat smashed in Thailand

Quote:
Originally Posted by Parmenter View Post
Certainly seen better days
It would appear dheads chartering anchored in the wrong spot at the wrong time,
though I would have thought if monsoon season the charter company would have said that spot was a no go zone and would have said so again at afternoon sched , if they even have one.



From here
https://www.facebook.com/groups/187918071231247/
I know that beach (Railey), it's about 20 minutes away. You definitely wouldn't have wanted to have been anchored there a few days ago. The SW monsoon storms have been ripping up the area. We had a mudslide wipe out 60 houses just north of here in Burma.
__________________
Mundis Ex Igne Factus Est
Doodles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-09-2014, 03:49   #45
Moderator
 
noelex 77's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Living on dirt waiting for our new yacht to be built.
Boat: Half built Bestevaer.
Posts: 10,619
Re: Lagoon Cat smashed in Thailand

This Lagoon is obviously a write off, and looking at the extensive damage it is hard to imagine that any boat (yes even an aluminium one ) could have survived.

However, it would be nice to compare the hull layup of different makes of boats. Often the glossy brochures contain little information and specific questions are met with blank stares or total misinformation from the salesmen.

If I am buying a boat I want to first know how it is constructed not what colours are optional for the seat cushions.
__________________

__________________
noelex 77 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
lagoon, Seawind, Thailand

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Crew Available: Cross gulf of Thailand, Cambodia - thailand Mrkymo Crew Archives 0 08-05-2012 03:26
Difficult Entry Lagoon Marina - Phuket, Thailand bgrimwade Indian Ocean & Red Sea 17 19-03-2010 17:29
Planning Assistance Needed for Thailand - Indonesia - Thailand Trip raya Sailor Logs & Cruising Plans 5 10-02-2010 18:48
Caught the guy who smashed into our boat and fled rebel heart Dollars & Cents 13 11-04-2008 17:52
30 Boats Smashed Jacana Cruising News & Events 8 17-02-2008 03:59



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:02.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.