Lagoon 440 Performance?

dirkdig · 20-02-2009, 22:54

i am seriously considering a LAGOON 440 for cruising and was wanting to find out from owners just whatsort of performance they actually do have.Every where i read says they are heavy and therefore slow fro a cat,is this actually the case?????

fastcat435 · 21-02-2009, 03:02

Hallo Dirk , they are extremely slow , have a small weight to sail area ratio but are strong build and good cruisers if you have time on your hands.
Greetings

Gideon

Jeannius · 21-02-2009, 03:49

Don't worry about the performance. When you are cruising, cruise!! I spend more time thinking about slowing my boat down than I do about trying to go faster and it is hardly a 'performance' boat.

One thing about the Lagoon 440 though... Do you really want to sit all the way up at that helm a howling gale and 20 ft seas? I wouldn't.

dirkdig · 21-02-2009, 04:20

Well at the moment it's a choice of a 440 v's a catana 471 and both have plusses and minuses.which one to buy I don't know,maybe buy one if I am not happy then sell and buy the other!

Troutbridge · 21-02-2009, 05:47

Sell and buy the other? You have more money than me, my friend

I would have thought you are talking about two different animals here. Do you want a 'sporty' boat or do you want a lot of interior space and the profile of an apartment block?

dirkdig · 21-02-2009, 06:12

I am new to this but I figure that we will spend a lot more time actually parked somewhere and enjoying the location and amenity of the boat than sailing point to point.myself I would go for performance anyday but with a fussy wife who looks at gloss over content and two daughters 5 and 13 we need to find the happy medium.it is so hard to sort out which way to go

dirkdig · 21-02-2009, 06:16

On another front to this a catana dealer I have spoken to has told me it will cost $25k a year just to maintain a 471? This has to be more than the annual upkeep on a lagoon 440?

sandy daugherty · 21-02-2009, 09:33

Owners of all kinds of boats report spending 10 to 25% of the purchase price of a boat on annual expenses. Some of us don't even want to know what we spend. My budget has two categories: Boat and "non-essentials" like food and medicine.

Esprit Marine · 21-02-2009, 12:06

Dirk,

SAD (Sail Area / Displacement) ratios or Bruce numbers give a pretty good idea of the relative performance of catamarans.

As an example I have attached the results of the last ARC. Bruce numbers are given for lightship weights. The two Lagoon 440 were not last, the 420 fleet was behind !

The Catana 471 has a Bruce number of around 1.33 so will be faster than a Lagoon 440. Latest Catanas (Poncin era) are far heavier.

scarab · 22-02-2009, 06:25

I chartered a Lagoon 440 for 2 weeks last december.
Fully loaded ( 8 pers ) we managed respectable speeds ( max SOG : 12.3 knots )
Steering this big cat was like working out !!
Considering the grounds we were cruising ( Windward Islands ) it was perfect.

Ram · 22-02-2009, 13:11

Tell me more details about" steering this big cat was like working out"

scarab · 22-02-2009, 13:32

The steering was hard work. I don't know if this is typical for a catamaran's this size or for the Lagoon 440 in specific but it was something that felt peculiar.
__________________
Koen

dirkdig · 22-02-2009, 13:57

Thanks open,
At last I have some speed details on this boat,anything you really liked or disliked about it

Strygaldwir · 22-02-2009, 16:53

Wow! I would have thought steering would have been easy! No weather helm to speak of. I did have some bushings that had swollen up on me and made steering difficult, but once that was resolved, it was clear steering.

Ram · 22-02-2009, 17:36

Scarab
I think maybe something could have been frozen up to make it steer hard , I had that happen to me after leaving the boat un used for 6 months then it worked it self back to being easy again, I can use 1 finger to steer normally

20-02-2009, 22:54	#1
dirkdig Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 10	Lagoon 440 Performance? i am seriously considering a LAGOON 440 for cruising and was wanting to find out from owners just whatsort of performance they actually do have.Every where i read says they are heavy and therefore slow fro a cat,is this actually the case?????

21-02-2009, 03:49	#3
Jeannius Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Grenada and Worcester U.K. Boat: Privilege 435 Posts: 284	Don't worry about the performance. When you are cruising, cruise!! I spend more time thinking about slowing my boat down than I do about trying to go faster and it is hardly a 'performance' boat. One thing about the Lagoon 440 though... Do you really want to sit all the way up at that helm a howling gale and 20 ft seas? I wouldn't. __________________ Mike http://www.sailbvi.net/Jeannius http://sailingjeannius.blogspot.com

21-02-2009, 05:47	#5
Troutbridge Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: On the boat, wherever she is Boat: Broadblue 385, called Troutbridge Posts: 135	Sell and buy the other? You have more money than me, my friend I would have thought you are talking about two different animals here. Do you want a 'sporty' boat or do you want a lot of interior space and the profile of an apartment block? __________________ Cruising: Boat maintenance in different locations. see the web diary: http:/blog.mailasail.com/troutbridge

22-02-2009, 13:11	#11
Ram Commercial Vendor Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cruising Greece Posts: 627	Tell me more details about" steering this big cat was like working out" __________________ Ram www.sailing-charters.org

22-02-2009, 17:36	#15
Ram Commercial Vendor Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cruising Greece Posts: 627	Scarab I think maybe something could have been frozen up to make it steer hard , I had that happen to me after leaving the boat un used for 6 months then it worked it self back to being easy again, I can use 1 finger to steer normally __________________ Ram www.sailing-charters.org

21-02-2009, 03:02	#2
fastcat435 Commercial Vendor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Amstelveen Netherlands Boat: FastCat 445 Green Motion Posts: 1,362	Hallo Dirk , they are extremely slow , have a small weight to sail area ratio but are strong build and good cruisers if you have time on your hands. Greetings Gideon

21-02-2009, 04:20	#4
dirkdig Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 10	Well at the moment it's a choice of a 440 v's a catana 471 and both have plusses and minuses.which one to buy I don't know,maybe buy one if I am not happy then sell and buy the other!

21-02-2009, 06:12	#6
dirkdig Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 10	I am new to this but I figure that we will spend a lot more time actually parked somewhere and enjoying the location and amenity of the boat than sailing point to point.myself I would go for performance anyday but with a fussy wife who looks at gloss over content and two daughters 5 and 13 we need to find the happy medium.it is so hard to sort out which way to go

21-02-2009, 06:16	#7
dirkdig Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 10	On another front to this a catana dealer I have spoken to has told me it will cost $25k a year just to maintain a 471? This has to be more than the annual upkeep on a lagoon 440?

21-02-2009, 09:33	#8
sandy daugherty Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: near Annapolis Boat: PDQ 36 "Page 83" Posts: 770	Owners of all kinds of boats report spending 10 to 25% of the purchase price of a boat on annual expenses. Some of us don't even want to know what we spend. My budget has two categories: Boat and "non-essentials" like food and medicine.

22-02-2009, 06:25	#10
scarab Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Wenduine, Belgium Boat: Hanse 371 Posts: 70	I chartered a Lagoon 440 for 2 weeks last december. Fully loaded ( 8 pers ) we managed respectable speeds ( max SOG : 12.3 knots ) Steering this big cat was like working out !! Considering the grounds we were cruising ( Windward Islands ) it was perfect.

22-02-2009, 13:32	#12
scarab Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Wenduine, Belgium Boat: Hanse 371 Posts: 70	The steering was hard work. I don't know if this is typical for a catamaran's this size or for the Lagoon 440 in specific but it was something that felt peculiar. __________________ Koen

22-02-2009, 13:57	#13
dirkdig Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 10	Thanks open, At last I have some speed details on this boat,anything you really liked or disliked about it

22-02-2009, 16:53	#14
Strygaldwir Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Deale, Maryland Boat: SeaView - Privilege 37 Posts: 834	Wow! I would have thought steering would have been easy! No weather helm to speak of. I did have some bushings that had swollen up on me and made steering difficult, but once that was resolved, it was clear steering.

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