Lagoon 440 helped by locals

[Seaslug Caravan]

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The perils of closing an unfamiliar anchorage at night?

[BigBeakie]

The perils of a boat without watertight engine/saildrive compartment?


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[StuM]

The perils of getting a prop fouled by a strong anchored line when close to a bar and losing the second engine when swung onto the bar.

Latitude 38 - 'Lectronic Latitude

[Dulcesuenos]

This truly sucks,, maybe some learnings from this, Obviously better to not go Into an unknown anchorage at night, he did mention fuel was a concern. Perhaps "heaving to" though not all cats can,, or anchor where you know you haven't run afoul...

[robert sailor]

Too bad, feel sorry for them

[robert sailor]

Originally Posted by Dulcesuenos

This truly sucks,, maybe some learnings from this, Obviously better to not go Into an unknown anchorage at night, he did mention fuel was a concern. Perhaps "heaving to" though not all cats can,, or anchor where you know you haven't run afoul...

They had several choices but made the wrong one, very unfortunate

[arsenelupiga]

another one that forgot to close engine room - bilge link ?

this one luckier than bundaberg case as water did not get to port engine.

My calcs show that starboard stern should not sink more than 10 cm in case of engine room water ingress. Which will actually get to bottom of the engine casing and unlikely to be able to run this engine.

[Savanna]

Just in case there is any confusion, as the owner of the L400 which all but sank in Bundaberg 7th November, our engine room to bilge drains were properly closed. The ball valves had only recently been cleaned up, reinstalled, and closed (as had the ball valves in the forward compartment to bilge drains). In our case the water came into the hull via a large hole in the side of the starboard hull much faster than the bilge pump could cope with, and the pump very quickly shorted out.

In our case, as the water came in the hole the starboard hull went down towards the stern, and as the hatch to the starboard engine compartment went under water the engine compartment also filled up. At this point water also flowed from the starboard hull into the port hull under the floor, and very soon the port engine compartment also went down to the point that it also filled up with water.

The boat ended up at an about 50 degree angle literally hanging from the flotation provided by the forward watertight compartments. If these had been breached, then the boat would have gone straight to the bottom.

[UpOnStands]

Any 440 design factor makes heaving to impossible?

[44'cruisingcat]

Good to see locals helping sailors in trouble.

Just yesterday the crew of this boat was rescued at At Bees island, Qld, by the local marine rescue service.

[Uncle Bob]

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Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat

Good to see locals helping sailors in trouble.

Just yesterday the crew of this boat was rescued at At Bees island, Qld, by the local marine rescue service.

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[Paul L]

Originally Posted by Savanna

Just in case there is any confusion, as the owner of the L400 which all but sank in Bundaberg 7th November, our engine room to bilge drains were properly closed. The ball valves had only recently been cleaned up, reinstalled, and closed (as had the ball valves in the forward compartment to bilge drains). In our case the water came into the hull via a large hole in the side of the starboard hull much faster than the bilge pump could cope with, and the pump very quickly shorted out.

In our case, as the water came in the hole the starboard hull went down towards the stern, and as the hatch to the starboard engine compartment went under water the engine compartment also filled up. At this point water also flowed from the starboard hull into the port hull under the floor, and very soon the port engine compartment also went down to the point that it also filled up with water.

The boat ended up at an about 50 degree angle literally hanging from the flotation provided by the forward watertight compartments. If these had been breached, then the boat would have gone straight to the bottom.

Ben
Nice to have first person facts.
Have you found a new boat home yet?

[arsenelupiga]

Originally Posted by Savanna

Just in case there is any confusion, as the owner of the L400 which all but sank in Bundaberg 7th November, our engine room to bilge drains were properly closed. The ball valves had only recently been cleaned up, reinstalled, and closed (as had the ball valves in the forward compartment to bilge drains). In our case the water came into the hull via a large hole in the side of the starboard hull much faster than the bilge pump could cope with, and the pump very quickly shorted out.

In our case, as the water came in the hole the starboard hull went down towards the stern, and as the hatch to the starboard engine compartment went under water the engine compartment also filled up. At this point water also flowed from the starboard hull into the port hull under the floor, and very soon the port engine compartment also went down to the point that it also filled up with water.

The boat ended up at an about 50 degree angle literally hanging from the flotation provided by the forward watertight compartments. If these had been breached, then the boat would have gone straight to the bottom.

thanks for clarification. Is this the hole you are talking about ?

I had to fill it by myself. For some reason lagoon left it open.

[Seaslug Caravan]

Originally Posted by Savanna

At this point water also flowed from the starboard hull into the port hull under the floor,.

I am still trying to work out your hull construction from your description.

The floors in a boat are the transverse structural timbers to which the longitudinal bottom planking is attached.

Or are we talking house design terminology?


Did the bilge pumps in your engine rooms not work or were the engine room hatches wide open?

Thanks for sharing the lessons learned.

[sv Grateful]

Slug,

Thank you for posting this. Had I known that grounding on a sand bar with 45-50 kt wind and 8 ft swells would damage a catamaran, I would never have been so reckless as to have lived and cruised on one for the past two years. I don't know how we'll carry on in this deathtrap, but we'll try.

Your keen insights on yacht design and seamanship should not be limited to this forum. Why, oh why haven't you shared the depth and breadth of your great knowledge with the greater world. I'd toss my Bowditch, Cornell, and Doyle in the trash and line my bookshelves with Slug if only you would commit your wisdom to the definitive treatise on yachting.