Lagoon 400

[freetime]

Is there anyone who has seen price lists and know delivery times for new Lagoon 400?

What´s good and bad with this new model?

[ireaney]

My concerns are that it is that the hulls (at waterline) are very wide (large wetted surface) it is very heavy and a lot of windage and looking at your earlier comments/requests it is not going to satisfy you in the performance leagues.
Ideal possibly as a charter boat and probably very comfortable but I reckon slow.

Freetime, your quest I think is a bit like mine, I want a decent performance, but also a nice layout, but to date their is not a cat out there that fullfills even 85% of my requirements, so I might even think about designing my own with some help of course.
Good luck with your search

[freetime]

Not sure now after doing some more research, may go for something not so fast but comfortable Your word... I think i am in that direction myself.

But i like this one, bigger than 380 and cheaper than 420. And a very modern interior with alote of space. Probably with a hybrid, but i would like to test it first.

[ireaney]

Hi Joakim

I don't think the first Lagoon 400 will be ready until spring 2009, it will be interesting to see the price and how she performs.
Like you have have considered some of the kit boats ie Fusion 40, Spirited 380, Pacific 40 etc etc, using a good boatyard, but to build in the UK or Europe the Fusion I reckon would cost about 350,000 Euros plus VAT and the others not much less to get a good finish, which is near the price of a second hand Privilege 435 which are more suited to our climate.
It is a difficult decision!!!!
I am going to Le Grand Pavois in La Rochelle, France in September as they have one of the best Multihull turn outs and there is going to be a Fusion 40 there so it will be interesting to see what it is really like.

Ian

[freetime]

Ireaney:
(I changed my avatar after i saw your dogs, it´s my cat)

It´s not easy to find the right catamaran. So many different models and should i buy new or used, build a kit or....

I don´t think the idea to build a Fusion 40 in europe will be cost effective, maybe poland or estonia, or lattvia. Or by yourself at a cheap place. I think materialcosts will be a big problem in this part of europe. Spirited 380 and Pacific cat 40 is nice cats but will probably get more expencive than a used Privilege 435 as you said. The Oram 44C is probably the cheapest to build.
I have changed my list on interesting catamarans 20 times right now. We would like to have the catamaran as a extra house the short swedish summertime. And sail to warmer wintertime...

I had plans for La Rochelle....but right now we have to much to do at work...But i will try.

The pic is from my house jan 2007.

[ireaney]

Joachim
I think you should stop looking for a cat now as you appear to have found one and he looks very young.
I would put my cat on as well but he refuses to wear his life jacket.
I too keep changing my mind, I may decide to buy something about 4/5 years old at a good price, about 40 feet in length and get decent sails, folding/feathering props and play around for a couple of years while I slowly design my own, using a combination of different manufacturers layouts, plans and shapes etc to try and achieve (as near as possible) my perfect catamaran.
Then approach a good designer and have it built in SA following recommendations of other self designer/builders, this would ensure a good boat at a sensible price, I hope.
You have have snow in your winter, which I never get being so far south in the UK, and I also expect you get sun in the summer, this year our summer has been the worst ever, rain, rain, rain.

[ssullivan]

The helm looks very uncomfortable/cold/hot/sunny/wet. Does this boat have an interior helm as well?

Also, in looking at the galley on the 380, if they share the same interior layout, there doesn't appear to be anywhere to prepare food! Where is the counter space?? (on the 380)

[freetime]

Originally Posted by ssullivan

The helm looks very uncomfortable/cold/hot/sunny/wet. Does this boat have an interior helm as well?

Also, in looking at the galley on the 380, if they share the same interior layout, there doesn't appear to be anywhere to prepare food! Where is the counter space?? (on the 380)

In this size, F-P 36 Mahe have a much better galley/kitchen.

Interior helm, no i don´t think so...

[Asa-san]

Here are some details on L400- hope it helps gentleman.











2009 MODEL LAGOON 400

ORDER CONFIRMATION
US $ AS ORDERED

01 BASE PRICE B 2009 CHARTER ( 4 cabin, 4 head ) 2 x 29HP YANMAR 3YM30 $369,200
OWNER ( 3 cabin, 3 head ) 2 x 29HP YANMAR 3YM30 $365,000

02 UPHOLSTERY / CURTAINS CURTAINS ON SALON DOOR (Sahara Sesame) $781
MOSQUITO SCREENS $210
STANDARD UPHOLSTERY Trajan Sand (Salon & Settees) STD
SPECIAL UPHOLSTERY $350

03 EQUIPMENT CONFIGURATION ESSENTIAL $18,768
CRUISING $31,828
COMFORT (M) $47,320
STORAGE UNIT UNDER HELM STATION E C M
PAIR OF STAINLESS STEEL DINGHY DAVITS E C M
110 V ELECTRICAL CIRCUIT with 40 Amp BATTERY CHARGER E C M
2 ADDITIONAL SERVICE BATTERIES 140Amp E C M
PROPANE OVEN with BROILER & S/S INTERIOR E C M
SHOWER DOOR E C M
DOUBLE SOUND INSULATED FLOOR IN ENGINE COMPARTMENTS E C M
AFT PORT HOLES IN AFT CABINS E C M
WATERPROOF LOUDSPEAKERS IN COCKPIT E C M
RADIO / CD PLAYER MP3 + 2 LOUDSPEAKERS IN SALOON E C M
NAVPACK RAYMARINE 2009 E C M
GENAKER RIG AND POLE (No sail) C M
FOLDING BLUE CANVAS BIMINI C M
ELECTRIC MANOEUVRE WINCH 46.2STCEH C M
PULPIT WITH WOODEN SEAT C M
SEA & FRESH WATER FOOT PUMPS IN GALLEY C M
FRESHWATER DOCK INLET C M
2 ELECTRIC GENOA SHEET WINCHES 46.2STCEH M
AFT COCKPIT FLOOR IN TEAK M
DECK WASH DOWN PUMP SEA WATER / FRESH WATER M
E120 DISPLAY AT HELM STATION M
RADAR ANTENNA 24KW 24NM M
AUTOPILOT REMOTE SMARTCONTROL M

04 RIGGING & SAILS GENAKER $7,945
LAZY BAG WITH BLUE COVER $1,061
DOYLE MAINSAIL CRADLE COVER IN BLUE $3,235
SPINNAKER GEAR Cruising Pack Compulsary) $1,831

05 DECK GEAR 2ND SWIM LADDER & 2ND HOT/COLD COCKPIT SHOWER $571
AFT COCKPIT SEAT CUSHIONS BEIGE $2,240
COCKPIT SIDES & AFT SUN CANVAS $1,645
COMPOSITE COCKPIT TABLE in lieu of coffee table Request
ELECTRIC WINCH FOR DAVITS 40.2STCE $2,905
110V ICEMAKER in COCKPIT $2,544
OUTBOARD ENGINE BRACKET ON PUSHPIT $175
COCKPIT ENCLOSURE WITH CLEAR PANELS $3,664
PAIR OF SUN LOUNGER PADS BEIGE $1,400

06 ENGINES UPGRADE TO 40 HP VOLVO D2-40 $5,484
UPGRADE TO 40 HP YANMAR 3JH4ATCE $4,014
PAIR OF 3 BLADE FOLDING PROPS TBC

07 ELECTRICAL CIRCUIT 12V SOCKET IN CABIN (PER CABIN) $140
12V 110V INVERTER 2000W $5,191
GENSET ONAN 7 KVA 110V/60 HZ WITH COCOON $19,950
UPGRADE TO GEL SERVICE BATTERIES $2,426

08 WATER CIRCUIT EXTRA WATER TANK 87 GALLONS (not with watermaker) $829
HOLDING TANKS, DECK-SEA $2,345
WC ELECTRIC QUIET FLUSH ALL CABINS $3,010
WATER MAKER 26 GALS per HOUR 110V $16,496

09 INTERIOR EQUIPMENT ADDITIONAL 12V FREEZER 29 GALLONS (not available with additional fridge) $2,286
ADDITIONAL 12V FRIDGE 29 GALLONS (not available with additional freezer) $1,610
BERTH IN PORT BOW $1,131
BERTH IN STB BOW $1,131
A/C 44,000 BTU 110V FOR OWNER LAYOUT $20,510
A/C 48,000 BTU 110V FOR CHARTER LAYOUT $23,159
DIESEL HEATER $8,061
SALOON TABLE CONVERTIBLE TO DOUBLE BERTH $339
12V FAN IN CABINS and SALON $980
MICROWAVE OVER & GRILL $560
UNDERBED SLATS $886
WASHING MACHINE 3 KG 110V $1,925

10 HI-FI & ELECTRONICS AIS RAYMARINE SYSTEM WITH ANTENNA COUPLING $1,365
E120 DISPLAY AT NAV STATION $6,324
RAYMARINE SEATALK / USB PC LINK $851
RUDDER JOYSTICK AT CHART TABLE) $1,610
TV ANTENNA IN MAST and 110V OUTLET $444
TV LCD 20" with DVD MP3 PLAYER IN SALON $3,546
VHF RAYMARINE 55 US CHANNELS WITH DSC $794
VHF CABLE AND ANTENNA IN MAST $344

10 MOORING, LAUNCHING ANCHOR SET : 20KG FLAT ANCHOR, 75M OF CHAIN D10, WRAP D18 $1,306
DELIVERY ANTIFOULING BLUE INTERNATIONAL (PRIMER EPOXY) $2,927
MOORING KIT: 6 FENDERS + 4 MOORING ROPES $886
50 FT 50AMP 125/250V MARINCO SHORE POWER CORD $838
PLASTIC COVER FOR TRANSPORT FOR LAUNCHING $1,715
LIFERAFT/SAFETY PACK $3,143
LAUNCHING AND RIGGING $10,368
DEALER PREPARATION $9,312
FRENCH EXPORTATION FEES $792
NAME AND HAILING PORT $443

Retail Price $0

1. Base price includes delivery to East Coast USA or Caribbean.
2. Importation, duties, taxes and rigging are not included in Lagoon base pricing.
3. Prices and Equipment subject to change.
Ordered BY: Dated:

Accepted BY:

[talus]

Broker told me they dropped the base price to $315,000 USD on the first 5 boats (one was still available). That sure makes it competitive with a lot of used 410's.

[Asa-san]

Just receintly I had chartered FP in effort to see differences in workmanship and fit out between Lagoon and FP. Well, also to have abit of good time as well. They are too very agresive in their pricing at the moment and to be honest as boats are still considered luxury items I believe it will be some time before things pick up and we will see prices going up. So, I will sit for a while, see how things progress, how many boats come out of charter market (they will as the squeeze gets harder) and maybe along the way I will find my bargain.
Having said that, 315K does sound better than a lot of 2nd hand boats out there, even if taking into account aditional 50-60K to fit it out.