Lagoon 39 or 400 or Jeanneau 41 DS

[LoudMusic]

Originally Posted by Canarios

You are completely wrong. I have benen racing monohulls internationally, 5.5 m and Soling among others, lived onboard in monohulls during summertime and now I have a Lagoon 380. It is different and confortable sailing. I have had her in 11 years. Bought her 2008 i France and sailed her non stop to Stockholm. Excellent sailing 15 m/s wind and full sail.
10 years in the Baltic Sea and last summer we sailed her down to Gran Canaria.
IF you want a cheaper boat, buy a Lagoon 380, which is big enough, gives grate comfort and sailing.

I am not completely wrong - I have a different opinion than you.

Also, day sailing is different from passage making.

[LoudMusic]

Originally Posted by singlespeed

Don't forget to factor in the additional costs of hauling a catamaran vs a monohull and the additional cost of keeping a catamaran vs a monohull in a marina. Additionally, many marinas can only accommodate a catamaran on the end of the dock tees, limiting the total number of catamarans in the marina

This has been an issue for us, and for the people we talk with regularly. It is often difficult to find a reasonable marina and a comfortable slip. I certainly have had good experiences, but most often we are out on the end and we take all the wakes.

It can also be more challenging to find a haulout for a wide beam boat. An acquaintance on SF Bay said he found one place that could pull his boat on a sled. It certainly depends on where you are, but not all regions are prepared to pull boats with big hips.

[Canarios]

I dont understand how your wife can choose a Jeanneau 41 feet if she can have a Catamaran Lagoon 38 feet. The cat is far more confortable with much more space. My wife used to say; I dont eant to go down to the basement any more and she ment the 5-6 steps down in the dark saloon in the monohulls.
in the Lagoon 380 you have 360 degrees free sight in the saloon and big windows in each bedroom watching the sunset when you going to sleep. I propose you shall rent a lagoon 380 a week in Greek or Kroatsien or elsewhere . After that week you will never think of another boat.

[dakno]

I don't buy any of this. Each will speak to their preference. Yes, a 38 cat will have more interior volume than a 41 mono. As someone else stated, you should be looking at a 45' to 50' mono for a more apples to apples comp. I would chose the mono every time because I don't think you are sailing if you don't have a heal angle. The hull /bridgedeck slap of a cat is scary . Watch "mono vs multi " on Delos and see Delos beat a high performance new cat recently on a overnight passage. To me you multi sailors are just counting time until a trawler appears on your horizon . The dark side is your next chapter. Its all good. Now and then I will peak at trawler porn when no one is looking...when I start using a cane.

[FlyingScot]

"Half a boat" sailing ain't for most people. If you love that 'heel' all day long, great, more power to you. I wish we did, we could have saved a bunch of money with all the great deals on monos. Not so many great deals on catamarans. The market has spoken.

Have you considered Leopards?

[smj]

Originally Posted by dakno

I don't buy any of this. Each will speak to their preference. Yes, a 38 cat will have more interior volume than a 41 mono. As someone else stated, you should be looking at a 45' to 50' mono for a more apples to apples comp. I would chose the mono every time because I don't think you are sailing if you don't have a heal angle. The hull /bridgedeck slap of a cat is scary . Watch "mono vs multi " on Delos and see Delos beat a high performance new cat recently on a overnight passage. To me you multi sailors are just counting time until a trawler appears on your horizon . The dark side is your next chapter. Its all good. Now and then I will peak at trawler porn when no one is looking...when I start using a cane.

And you own not one but 2 Hunters........just sayin.

[Kenomac]

Because of peoples’tight schedules these days and excellent weather forcasting, all cruising sailboats multihull and monohull boats have become motorsailers, wind assisted power boats. The wind is never coming from the desired direction and schedules need to be met.

Go for the most comfortable model, we rarely sail anymore it seems.

[Zzmeyer]

I owned, raced, cruised and did several long distance rallies over 8 years with my Jeanneau 42ds. Then went with Sense 50 and have a FP 47 on order. Comparison too hard, but let me tell you about the 42ds (very similar to 41ds). I've owned a number of boats and the build quality was right up there with the best production boats. It raced to its rating which was identical to almost all the production monohulls of the same length. The biggest selling point is the aft master cabin. Some complain about the limited headroom so I'd suggest you try it out yourself. I would not live aboard in a v berth or a pullman where you have to climb over your partner which at 42 feet pretty much limits you to a center cockpit (too small cockpit for me) or something like the DS. A few shortcomings to be aware of. The boat tended to round up a bit in a puff, but easy to control with the traveler. Getting in and out of the cockpit was a bit of a chore underway. Lots of steps from the cockpit to the salon. Rather weak ventilation overall, but with an aft stateroom with the hatches blocked by the dodger a couple good fans were a necessity. Fuel at 34 gallons is a joke and Jeanneau does it on lots of their boats. Overall, I'd rate as a great boat. Good luck on your search.

[Zzmeyer]

Dakno - generally agree. A 40 foot monohull will not have as much room as a 40 cat, but the cost won't be the same either. My new cat, a couple feet shorter than my monohull has 50% more volume, but cost 50% more. I might quibble with your "Delos beat performance cat". The one time event gets challenged by the recent ARC rally where the Outremer cats, all shorter than the Amels, beat them by an average of 4 days. Plenty of time for their crew to convince those families waiting on their Amel crew, that a performance cat will generally crush a monohull.

[chakil]

Originally Posted by Zzmeyer

Dakno - generally agree. A 40 foot monohull will not have as much room as a 40 cat, but the cost won't be the same either. My new cat, a couple feet shorter than my monohull has 50% more volume, but cost 50% more. I might quibble with your "Delos beat performance cat". The one time event gets challenged by the recent ARC rally where the Outremer cats, all shorter than the Amels, beat them by an average of 4 days. Plenty of time for their crew to convince those families waiting on their Amel crew, that a performance cat will generally crush a monohull.

Thats what I really don't get. How can it be %50 more expensive, its one more engine that would be a big cost. What are the other parts that makes it %50 more expensive?

[zboss]

Originally Posted by chakil

Thats what I really don't get. How can it be %50 more expensive, its one more engine that would be a big cost. What are the other parts that makes it %50 more expensive?

Well, you have bottom line and top line costs that must be accounted for:

Cats take longer and are more complex to build. They take up more factory floor space, they require longer wire runs, more raw materials... etc.

It only takes 5% or 10% increase in bottom line costs of a few of items to add up to a substantial price increase.

On the top end... cats are un greater demand. They take up more room at dealer docks in the most expensive coastal cities, they require more sales knowledge to convince someone to pay for that extra bottom line cost.

[chakil]

Originally Posted by zboss

Well, you have bottom line and top line costs that must be accounted for:

Cats take longer and are more complex to build. They take up more factory floor space, they require longer wire runs, more raw materials... etc.

It only takes 5% or 10% increase in bottom line costs of a few of items to add up to a substantial price increase.

On the top end... cats are un greater demand. They take up more room at dealer docks in the most expensive coastal cities, they require more sales knowledge to convince someone to pay for that extra bottom line cost.

No no I meant the maintenance costs comparing to a monohull.

[ers61]

Originally Posted by chakil

Hello all,

I would like to hear from experienced sailors on this topic please;
I have a budget of 230.000€ and I want to buy 2013+ Lagoon 39 owners version or 2010+ 400 owners version.
As you all know the market, the price range is starting from 250.000€ for a mid equipped Lagoon which I am looking for. Of course the prices were %10 less in off season.
Now I have two options , I will rather buy a new model used Jeanneau 41DS for around 170.000€ and keep 60.000€ in my pocket or wait one more year to buy the Lagoon I want , if no hurricane happens this year I think these models will go down around %15.
Please share your valuable ideas with me.

Thank you all,

how did it go ? which one did you buy?

[Canarios]

Originally Posted by LoudMusic

I am not completely wrong - I have a different opinion than you.

Also, day sailing is different from passage making.

STOCKHOLM archipelago is large with a lot of islands, bays and open water as well as close to the Baltic Sea, so I am used to both. Have you ever tried to sail a cruising cat? If not do so. I have been racing in mono hulls both national and international, and been sailing mono hulls up to 2008, when I bought my Lagoon 380 due to a disabled wife. The cat is fantastic in all respects, and most of the cats are sailing and not going by motor.

[John_char]

Originally Posted by Canarios

STOCKHOLM archipelago is large with a lot of islands, bays and open water as well as close to the Baltic Sea, so I am used to both. Have you ever tried to sail a cruising cat? If not do so. I have been racing in mono hulls both national and international, and been sailing mono hulls up to 2008, when I bought my Lagoon 380 due to a disabled wife. The cat is fantastic in all respects, and most of the cats are sailing and not going by motor.

What do you think of the “blue water” capability of the L380?

We’re looking at these, however, we haven’t heard too much about their “crossing” prowess. Both Atlantic and pacific crossings.

I think an owners version would be a great size for a couple, mins you wifee thinks the galley is a bit small.

Interested in you input.

Cheers.