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Old 21-06-2012, 11:10   #46
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Re: JARCAT CC29 vs WHARRAM TIKI 30

The Tiki 38 is a HUGE (crazy???) project. Wharram says 2200 hours, but most builders seem to be withing 5000-8000 hours. One recently launched in CA was 6000 and said to be workboat like and much time saved from various smart techniques.

Personally, I'm sure they could be done in less time. I think a certain amount of the time can be attributed to the type of person that is attract to the overall larger Tiki concept.

There was a guy in NY started with a crew in Jan. Looked to be setting a recored for Tiki 38 construction, but seems to have stopped posting/ building? Montiki or Montauk Tiki something like that.
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Old 21-06-2012, 15:49   #47
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Dude, Then that would make it closer to the 100 sheets of the Jarcat......part of that weight is the extra stick too. Still silly to compare a box with bananas........
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Old 22-06-2012, 09:18   #48
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Re: JARCAT CC29 vs WHARRAM TIKI 30

I looked into the Tiki 38 a little more, part of the extra weight is heavier ply scantlings which means fewer sheets for the weight. The point is a 1/2" sheet takes the same amount of epoxy to coat as a 3/8" etc.....One advantage the classic designs have is if you can use tools well, bonding to the stringers takes less epoxy than making fillets keeping costs down. Those hour build totals seem like the time put in by people who where new to boat building- very high. It is a reminder to project contemplaters who are not used to production working and building that any construction type may take longer than expected. Buying infusion gear is a big cost and the materials loss potential is pretty high. It also takes controlled building habits. Finding a method that is enjoyable to use can make the difference between finishing or not so factor it in on the spreadsheets.
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Old 03-01-2013, 12:55   #49
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Re: JARCAT CC29 vs WHARRAM TIKI 30

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If that was actually true we would be seeing more wharrams on the water than any other design.

Why is this not even close to being the case?
What is the case is that no matter what anchorage you visit anywhere in the world you have a good chance of finding a Wharram. They go places and provide their crew with lots of fun. And yes, they are relatively safe.

I sailed a Tiki 30 in the northeast USA for a few years. Very enjoyable but too basic for real cruising, IMHO. If you are the spartan type, however, they may be ideal.
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Re: JARCAT CC29 vs WHARRAM TIKI 30

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What is the case is that no matter what anchorage you visit anywhere in the world you have a good chance of finding a Wharram.
Bollocks.
I could count wharram sightings over 35 years on the water on two hands.
Possibly only two for sale in the world at present shows they are less common than you think.
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Re: JARCAT CC29 vs WHARRAM TIKI 30

Just 2??????
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Possibly only two for sale
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Possibly only one boat for sale.
Possibly we are part of a construct and we are only batteries for a world ruled by machines.
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Re: JARCAT CC29 vs WHARRAM TIKI 30

I've seen a lot more than ten Wharrams just in the last couple of years.
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Re: JARCAT CC29 vs WHARRAM TIKI 30

In response to the O.P you mentioned trailering the boat.
Are you plannning on trailering the boat whole or breaking it down each time.
I have read that the tiki 30 can take over a day, more like 2, to set up from scratch, attaching beams etc.
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Two of us could have my Tiki 21 ready to go in 3 hours... mind she was light enough for 1 at the bow other at the stern of a hull to lift and carry from trailer to the v trolly for assembly... then run her down the slip and retrieve the 2 trollys.
Should be able to do the 30 in less than a day after the first few times..
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Well, I had built a couple of dinks before my Wharram Hinamoa 23. The plans were very expensive even back in the day. And simple. I could have built it without plans. Over the years, I've considered just that. But the memories of very limited accomodation, and poor windward performance combine to keep me sane. I've only seen two Wharrams come through Beaufort (a major stop on the ICW). There are several other designs in the 30' range based here.
However, hundreds of larger modern cats have come through. I've been in a Gemini. Wouldn't want a smaller multi.
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Re: JARCAT CC29 vs WHARRAM TIKI 30

@Boatman
Not according to these guys, but I cant speak from personal experience.
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Appears to be a lot more going on those boats than went on my 21... or my 26 for that matter... wiring was just connect a plug... cockpit was flat deck... no fancy seating. How long does it take to sling an outboard on... but never having done a 30ftr I'll take their word for it
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