Originally Posted by rigamarole
We spent a full week on the Jaguar and couldn't get it to point past 60 degrees. Even then we had to keep the windward motor
in order to not round up. When sailing from St. John to Jost Van Dyke we had wave slap that made the boat feel like it was going to come unglued.
Weird, cause on my crossing back over from the Bahamas
this past June I had my Wildcat sailing up as high as 45 degrees. I have a strong suspicion that if you let your main sheet out just a bit it would have solved
your problem of rounding up. You gotta remember that you have a lot of mainsail
with that full roach that's grabbing a lot of wind. And perhaps it was a good time to throw in a reef? I use to encounter similar problems of rounding up after tacking when I first bought my boat but was clued in regarding easing the main sheet as the cure by an experienced cat sailor who was kind enough to show me a few tricks. I use to find myself heading up after a tack, even with my helm
turned hard down wind, but after back drafting the jib
and easing up on the main sheet it solved
the problem. I would then slowly pull back in my main sheet till I felt that sweet spot with my rudder
indicators showing near centered. Made all the difference in the world. And I'm sure you agree that sailing a 20 ft Hobie is much different than a cruising catamaran.
Regarding slapping, ALL cats will slap - some more than others. It's the nature of the beast. If you do have a lower bridge deck
clearance it does help compensate somewhat having a wider beam. It's usually the two bow wakes that are converging under the bridge deck
that create the slap - the inside wake coming off the port bow meeting with the inside wake of the starboard hull
. The inside wakes from both hulls help create a larger wave. Best thing to do is to bear off a bit if it's a heading sea which will cut back on the slapping. I personally don't like super hi-rised bridgedecks. They look funky and most often times the boat has a narrower beam - which means less room inside the boat - and I'm also talking about headroom
. The higher freeboards also contribute to higher windage which will cut down on your upwind performance and sail you around your anchorage/mooring more so with the higher sides. But it's all personal taste. And no, there aren't any reports of these boats "coming unglued". But in contrary, there are reports of people sailing comfortably around the world in them.
Regarding your dislike of the layout of having to walk thru a head
to get to a forward berth - I agree, THAT WOULD SUCK. Fortunately, my layout is not like that. Both heads are all the way up forward. And I recall
Cruising World mentioning that as a major downer in their review. I always wondered why Charter Cats would have entered that boat to be considered with a layout as such. I've yet to see one with that type of layout and I've looked at well over a dozen Wildcat/Jaguars. So, you can't generalize that they ALL have that undesirable layout. How would you get to your berth if your first mate is busy praising the porcelin god after a rough night of festivities. Either way, I wouldn't want to be on that side of the boat.
Originally Posted by rigamarole
I parallel that expearence with this last spring when we chartered a 40' FP Lavezia..,
Originally Posted by rigamarole
Bigger wind, bigger waves, no problem.
Dude, you forgot to mention BIGGER BOAT, LONGER WATERLINE and BIGGER DOLLAR BOAT. Wow! You're comparing apples to oranges. We're talking about a 36 ft boat (Jaguar) that would have ran $275 brand new compared to a larger 40 foot Lavezzia that'll run you upward of $450K. You need to compare boats of equal size and price
. The new FP Mahe 36
would be a much better comparison which I here runs $340K when properly equipped. The $199K is a bit deceiving as several have discovered here. It gets you in the door but then you find out what all the extra's will cost you and ouch. Then you're in a boat that has inadequate ventilation in the salon
which was a MAJOR consideration for me living in Florida
. I mean, both the Wildcat and Jaguar have two large hatches above the coach roof along with two ports
facing forward in the salon
that blows air threw the boat like a monsoon at times. Also have plenty of ventilation down below which is a must.
Regarding comparisons, when I shopped around I compared the Wildcat 350 to the 35 ft Fountain Pujot Tobago
. The Mahe 36 wasn't released yet but would have been well out of my budget
anyways. The Tobago
was underpowered with aged 10 hp 2 cylinder Volvo's compared to clean 3 cylinder 20 hp Volvo
on the Wildcat. There was a lot of wasted space in the layout of the Tobago and it was very plain jane like compared to the more modern and well thought layout of the Wildcat. I also don't care for those nets they use in their trampolines on the Tobago and Mahe either. Made me feel like I was a fish
caught in a net and very uncomfortable when chilling out on. I like the comfort and safety
of the vinyl Super Tramps on the Wildcats/Jaguars as well as the cat walk up front for raising the anchor
or setting the grill
on. I also love the walk thru transom and swim platforms - which the FP Tobago and Mahe both lack. THESE are boats that should be comparable.
Regarding build quality, sure the Wildcat is not a Gun Boat but for the price
you're not going to find a better value for an introductory blue water cat. We're talking a boat you can find used for well under $200K and sail around the world in. Yes, some of the wood trim joints in the salon aren't lined up perfectly but it's something I can certainly live with - for the price.
I'm sticking to my guns
and gonna recommend the Jaguar (as Mr. Tarjan did in his book). But I would certainly advise a potential buyer to check with the South African Boat Builers Export Council to make sure that the new company is all good to go since his former company, Charter Cats, had a rough ride a few years back. And if you decide to buy a used one get a survey
to make sure all is good.
P.S. I notice you're from up in the Great Lakes
area. I saw some cool show on the history
channel the other night about the greatest boating
accidents to ever occur on the Great Lakes
. One boat didn't even get to leave the dock
when it capsized. Crazy stuff!